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My Plumbing (by Suzanne [TX]) Dec 20, 2013 6:34 AM
       My Plumbing (by Tx mike [TX]) Dec 20, 2013 6:50 AM
       My Plumbing (by RR [WA]) Dec 20, 2013 6:59 AM
       My Plumbing (by S i d [MO]) Dec 20, 2013 7:29 AM
       My Plumbing (by S i d [MO]) Dec 20, 2013 7:31 AM
       My Plumbing (by Gary G [IN]) Dec 20, 2013 8:01 AM
       My Plumbing (by S i d [MO]) Dec 20, 2013 8:24 AM
       My Plumbing (by Nellie [ME]) Dec 20, 2013 8:42 AM
       My Plumbing (by Zelda [MO]) Dec 20, 2013 9:23 AM
       My Plumbing (by BillS [CO]) Dec 20, 2013 9:41 AM
       My Plumbing (by Robert J [CA]) Dec 20, 2013 12:21 PM
       My Plumbing (by BillS [CO]) Dec 20, 2013 12:29 PM
       My Plumbing (by tryan [MA]) Dec 20, 2013 1:29 PM
       My Plumbing (by tryan [MA]) Dec 20, 2013 1:44 PM
       My Plumbing (by Gary G [IN]) Dec 20, 2013 2:14 PM
       My Plumbing (by Txmike [TX]) Dec 20, 2013 3:04 PM
       My Plumbing (by Keith [AL]) Dec 20, 2013 4:18 PM


My Plumbing (by Suzanne [TX]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 6:34 AM
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I have a rental property that I bought that had foundation issues. The foundation in the home has been releveled; however, now I have a plumbing issue. A plumber came with his camera and discovered that many of the pipes under the home were broken and the toilets are backing up. It is a 3-2-2 and I am told that it would cost me $11500 to repair the plumbing system. He removed a toilet to run his camera through the plumbing system. His company is his private company. There is also a foundation issue in a room that we converted into living space over a patio. The patio door will not shut tightly as the patio foundation has shifted. The original foundation issue was in the home, not the covered patio area. Question: Any suggestions for handling the plumbing issue and do I fix the patio foundation first? Money is very tight right now. One of the toilets is unusable. I have tenants in the home and they have been very patient. HELP

--50.202.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by Tx mike [TX]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 6:50 AM
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Your plumber may be correct. I have lots of slab houses built in the 60-70s. That cast iron pipe usually rust out from the bottom side. I have had to tunnel under a house 25 feet to replace a line. I have had to jack hammer 30 feet of a house to replace a line. I hated both. If your house is occupied, I would suggest tunneling. Scary though. My plumber did not supply fresh air to the digger, nor did he stay and watch over him for his safety. I sat there myself and watched, also supplied him with a fresh air respirator so he could breath easier. I think you should be able to find a better price. If you called a yellow page company you are paying a premium. I don't mean to pounce on you while you are down, but every landlord needs a healty emergency fund. Have you looked at getting a Heloc? You need to get this fixed ASAP for your tenants sake. If you are in north tarrant county. I would be interested in buying this from you. --66.169.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by RR [WA]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 6:59 AM
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This one has me stumped. No easy answers. You are in a bad situation. I suggest having the tenants move out until you resolve this.

I understand that re-leveling houses is very common in certain areas of Texas due to expansive soils. Given that, I assume there is a best local practice about how to handle plumbing issues that occur from the re-leveling.

It is likely possible to do spot repairs instead of a full underground repipe. Step 1) locate the pipes, step 2) locate the breaks, step 3) dig, step 4) fix. This may buy you some time until you can work up a long-term solution.

--24.18.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 7:29 AM
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This may not be allowed by local code, but could you tap an existing line where you have service coming up from under the slab and feed it thru the wall to the toilet? I'd rather spend $500 to rip out and patch some drywall and feed some PEX thru vs. jack hammering a slab, if that's an option.

I've got a slab apartment too, and once it starts leaking I'm just tapping the line where cold comes into the house and the hot coming out of the water heater and repiping thru the walls. A local plumber estimate that for a 1 bath with shower, sink, toilet, a clothes washer hookup and a standard kitchen that would run about $1000 for his work, and cosmetic repair would run around $500 - $800 depending on how much ripping he has to do. This is a "yellow pages" guy, so I could probably shop around and get it done cheaper. Local code is okay with this. --108.250.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 7:31 AM
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Btw, I didn't clarify: you'd tap the pipe shortly after where it comes into the house, or even better have your plumber dig down to right before where it comes in and stub it up as a new entry supply line. Could probably build a small "Box" or cover of some sort on the exterior to prevent/reduce change of freeze ups. Just avoid messing with anything under the slab and let it sit there and "rust in pieces". Again, if code allows... --108.250.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by Gary G [IN]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 8:01 AM
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I think the problem here is the drains, that is the only ones they run a camera through, but if it is a supply line I would agree with Sid. I agree with Tx mike and RR, you MUST have funds in reserve if you are a landlord! I suggest $7,000.00 minimum cash. When you have a rental, nickels and dimes are really hundreds and thousands!

I think you will have to explain the situation to the tenants and offer to; 1)let them out of the lease if they want to move. 2)offer to pay for hotel until it is fixed and done. 3)offer to refund rent during the time toilet doesn't work and the floor is torn up. All 3 of these will make you jump through any hoops to get it done fast! Yes you will burn through $12k FAST! probably more...

Fix the door at the same time, get-r-done good luck

I am also familiar with Texas and Tarrant County. I built homes in Arlington in the 80's --99.132.xxx.xx




My Plumbing (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 8:24 AM
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Yeah, if it's drain lines you're hosed...water under pressure (supply) can go up or down, but as we all know via the old cliche..."stuff" only rolls downhill. Prepare to eat the expense, or like Gary says let them out of the lease and just sell the property.

One thing I would NOT do is put my personal residence at risk via a HELOC or HEL to fix the crapper in a tenant's place. If you're that cash-strapped and have no other alternatives, time to cut your losses and get out of land lording. --108.250.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 8:42 AM
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Suzanne, I empathize with no/very limited cash reserves. One big expense after another with inadequate time between to recover and create a solid cash reserve. No cash reserves doesn't always mean poor management. Sometimes the maintenance gods are just frowning.

Good luck. :-) --70.16.xx.xxx




My Plumbing (by Zelda [MO]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 9:23 AM
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First thing I would do is get a second opinion from a different plumber--everyone has a different opinion on how to fix things. --65.220.xx.xxx




My Plumbing (by BillS [CO]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 9:41 AM
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What type of foundation does your house have? Slab on grade or finished basement which requires cutting out the concrete floor, this seems reasonable. If you have a crawl space under the house you are getting ripped off. An unfinished basement with a slab floor it's probably a little high. That's my opinion form 1,000 miles away and never having seen which means my opinion is worth nothing.

Get at least 5 (yes FIVE) contractors to look at it and give you bids. Make sure they prove to you they have a license and insurance. Go for companies that do only a little bit of advertising. The ones on the front and back of the phone book are not the most cost effective.

Do not delay, plumbing is required for habitability you must do that first.

The patio door is nice to help use the patio but is peanuts compared to what you are dealing with the plumbing. --75.160.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 12:21 PM
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I am a California Licensed Plumbing Contractor and 35 year landlord/developer/owner or rental properties. Suzanne your description of your properties foundation wasn't good enough for us to analyze. Do you have a raised foundation or in your property on a cement slab?

Getting one quote from a single plumbing contractor is like playing Russian Roulette, better to have 3 or 4 estimates.

In plumbing there are always several ways to repair or replace a defective sewer system. Change over from metal to ABS plastic. Installing an epoxy sleeve inside a cracked system. Installing a liner. But if the pitch is wrong and the pipes have issues, then correction of the slope and replacement will be necessary.

In one of my brother's rental homes he too had a back up of the main sewer line under the slab. His estimate to replace and repair half the sewer line was $26,000 from one plumber and $15,000 from his second plumbing contractor. I used my large snaking tool and cleared the line of roots and was able to use my sewer camera and locate two separate issue.

First issue, under the slab the pipe had rusted out and was leaking. When the sewer line would back up, it caused the water to rise though cracks in the slab into the living room area. The second issue, trees were going along the sewer line as it exited the property.

I removed a few trees and killed the roots, no more back ups. Snaked and reamed the pipes of roots. Then under the slab in installed an epoxy liner to seal the leak. The cost to my brother, $1000. --98.119.x.xxx




My Plumbing (by BillS [CO]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 12:29 PM
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Robert J has a good point

I have talked to companies offering cleaning service and the guy told me he considered that part of his company a loss and paid for it out of his advertising budget. If you call a cleaning company you have a problem and that gave him an inside track on bidding the project. He was way high (2X the one I used) and offered to come down if someone was lower. I laughed, I was in a hurry but not that much. --75.160.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 1:29 PM
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... maybe the house settled soooo much that the main drain line is not level/draining. --24.128.xxx.x




My Plumbing (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 1:44 PM
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Robert's story reminded me of a nice bed-time story ...

Young tenant flushed an infant diaper .... major clog. Called Roto-rooter - per my plumbers recommendation. Kid shows up with a camera snake and proceeds to get the snake STUCK. All the kings horses, all the kings men couldn't get the camera un-stuck. So I was told a back-hoe was needed and would cost ME $1500. I said "no thank you, your camera, your problem".

Turns out the line was rooted. My septic guy hand dug a new line (25 ft) to the house from the tank for $500. --24.128.xxx.x




My Plumbing (by Gary G [IN]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 2:14 PM
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Since Suzanne hasn't answered, I'll try to help. I know construction and I've built in Texas for over 10 years. The homes there utilize a monolithic poured concrete slab on grade. The soils are very expansive. They have tensioned steel cables running both directions across the slab about 2 feet on center that are tensioned to about 10,000 lbs a couple weeks after cement is poured. This holds the "foundation" and slab together as the soils expand and constrict during the wet and dry seasons. This would mean using a jackhammer and being careful not to cut a cable as 10,000 lbs tension might be a problem. It's sort of like rebar that can not be removed. I can see how this would be an expensive repair. If the original drain trenches were not properly compacted, it would add to the drain "fall" problems. I've seen this type of home foundations re-leveled by jackhammering inside the house, then digging down under the bottom of the grade beam in many locations and hydraulic jacks used to lift the house. Usually this is a lift of inches and doesn't cause drain problems in other areas of the house. I've also seen a home 2 inches out of level in the summer come back into level in the winter. Expansive soils! --99.132.xxx.xx




My Plumbing (by Txmike [TX]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 3:04 PM
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Not all slab houses around here have post tension cables. My houses built in the 70-80 do not. Regular rebar, with lazy concrete installers that half the time didn't bother pulling the rebar to the middle, I have cut into more than one slab, and the rebar is on the bottom. My houses were cheaply built track homes.

Helocs are available on rentals, not just your personal home. I would agree with Sid not to tap that equity, sell the rental first. --66.169.xxx.xxx




My Plumbing (by Keith [AL]) Posted on: Dec 20, 2013 4:18 PM
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I would call a few more companies. Check on gettin the pipes lined. Look it up on YouTube. It is much easier than cutting the foundation. Basically they run a new pipe/liner inside the old pipe. Good luck!! Be honest with your renters. Don't put your personal assets/family at risk to fix a business problem. --98.89.xx.xxx





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