Recording Tenant Noise
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Recording Tenant Noise (by James [NJ]) Jan 14, 2013 12:08 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by in [IN]) Jan 14, 2013 12:31 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by keith [AL]) Jan 14, 2013 1:09 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by RichE [IL]) Jan 14, 2013 1:11 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Jan 14, 2013 2:05 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by V [OH]) Jan 14, 2013 2:31 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by John... [MI]) Jan 14, 2013 3:10 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Rr [WA]) Jan 14, 2013 3:20 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Ellen [ME]) Jan 14, 2013 4:11 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Tony [NJ]) Jan 14, 2013 6:04 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Mark [CA]) Jan 14, 2013 7:36 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by James [NJ]) Jan 14, 2013 7:42 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 14, 2013 9:38 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 14, 2013 10:42 PM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Doug [NJ]) Jan 15, 2013 11:25 AM
       Recording Tenant Noise (by Mike45 [NV]) Jan 15, 2013 12:47 PM


Recording Tenant Noise (by James [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 12:08 PM
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State Specific Question About: NEW JERSEY (NJ)

Owner occupied 2-unit with a tenant who is disturbing us in the middle of the night with yelling and loud voices. As you know it is difficult to prove this. If I used a recording device to record the tenant, is that recording usable as evidence to prove the disturbance to a judge? Good question. --173.63.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by in [IN]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 12:31 PM
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Tenant could consider it an invasion of privacy.....and so could the courts... --98.253.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by keith [AL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 1:09 PM
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I guess you have already tried bribery? I mean offering them a reward for holding it down? I know you shouldnt have to pay to may them obey the rules- but- if thats the onbly issue you have with them- you might try this. Tell them if they would keep theings quite after 10pm for the next 3 months you would love to buy them dinner (gift card $50 at any local place) If they cant keep it down you are going to have to take other steps that you do not want to do! The main thing is you are going to have to talk to them. It may not work at all- then again- would you pay $50 bucks to get a good nights sleep? --98.89.x.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by RichE [IL]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 1:11 PM
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Another reason for month to month rental agreements.

--23.25.x.xx




Recording Tenant Noise (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 2:05 PM
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Call the police and make a 'loud noise' complaint. If they show up and confirm the loud noise, then you have the needed proof in court to evict.

Or, go up and bang on their door. "If you like living here, keep it down!" --24.60.xx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by V [OH]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 2:31 PM
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You must post a notice to record audio, may not be admissible in court, check there first. --75.94.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 3:10 PM
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This actually varies quite a bit by state as to whether or not you can record this audio without giving notice. Even in an "all party" state where you'd normally need to have the permission of both sides to record a conversation, there is usually an exception for talk/noise that would have no expectation of privacy. I would think that you could argue that anyone being loud enough to be heard outside or in someone else's apartment does NOT have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" for that. In other words, if they are screaming at each other -- then they can't expect that to be private.

In general, recording PUBLIC noise is not an issue -- so, based on that logic, you could record them provided that you did it from outside or your own apartment and they were loud enough to be heard.

But, again, varies GREATLY by state. You'll need to check yours to be safe. I am not a lawyer. Your mileage may vary. Look both ways before crossing...

- John...

--216.111.xxx.xx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Rr [WA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 3:20 PM
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Court/judges are a hard way to try to solve everyday problems, but I think some people like the drama and maybe take pleasure in hearing the judge rule in their favor.

Anyway, if this is really bad, I would just be terminating the tenancy. Not sure how long you have left on the lease.

--24.18.xxx.xx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Ellen [ME]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 4:11 PM
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My lease specifically has a list of things that a tenant can be evicted for. Disturbing others is one of them. In the future, a MTM lease is the best for owner occupied, IMO. You give them a 30 day notice and with some luck, bye-bye, they're gone.

Living in and managing an owner occupied has a slightly different set of criteria for screening. You are looking for tenants who will/can pay the rent, not damage your property, etc. BUT, you are also looking for an additional qualification: someone who is compatible with your lifestyle. The following line works really well for us, learned from our very first landlord, who was the owner occupier under us. "If you like loud parties, loud music, and loud television you won't like it here." Write it into the MTM lease, then you have something to back up your "be quiet." --64.222.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 6:04 PM
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You should send a NOTICE TO CEASE letter regarding unneighborly behavior, request compliance, and suggesting eviction as a remedy if noise doesn't stop.

I don't know about other states but NJ offers special consideration to multis of 3 or less units if owner occupied. LOL. --71.127.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Mark [CA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 7:36 PM
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If recording from a location that you can legally record from use a device that can also record video so you can prove that you in a place you could legally record the audio. --68.186.xx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by James [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 7:42 PM
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Thank you everyone. You all have given me much to think over. --173.63.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 9:38 PM
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A video from your home will help the police. My guess is if you are in YOUR home or yard and capture the events this proves the sounds were loud enough.

Letters to the resident will help the judge.

If you want to evict for noise, be able to show the judge multiple letters over a period of time.

Video may only infuriate the res.

Your easiest management tool is a simple, concise letter. It documents that you tried to work things out with the res.

--50.129.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 14, 2013 10:42 PM
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They make a sound db meter that has a paper print out with the date, time and sound level. Only this type of db meter is used in some courts. --173.60.xx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Doug [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2013 11:25 AM
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You'll really need police to come and issue report in order to use it in court. I've been in court several times in past, and despite producing notices for judge, only thing they bothered to look at was police report. --216.139.xxx.xxx




Recording Tenant Noise (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Jan 15, 2013 12:47 PM
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Robert J is correct, you need a decible meter.

Let's say you use a normal tape recorder (or digital, these days). What is the proper way to set the volume when you play it back in court? If you have a good tape recorder, you can boost a whisper up to a shout. How can your recording show what the original decible level of the noise might have been? It is worthless to any judge who has even a minimal comprehension.

I agree that if they are noisy enough that you can record it in your own rooms without any amplification, it is probably legal to do, but that recording does not prove anything.

--67.233.xxx.xxx





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