100 amp vs 200 amp (by Carolyn [MO]) Sep 20, 2012 5:02 PM|
100 amp vs 200 amp (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 20, 2012 5:43 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by V [OH]) Sep 20, 2012 5:47 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by V [OH]) Sep 20, 2012 6:02 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 20, 2012 6:14 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by RR78 [VA]) Sep 20, 2012 6:22 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Clara [MI]) Sep 20, 2012 6:52 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Ken [NY]) Sep 20, 2012 7:02 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Roy [AL]) Sep 20, 2012 7:36 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Jeff S [MI]) Sep 20, 2012 7:39 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Robert,Ontario,Canada [ON]) Sep 20, 2012 8:25 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by V [OH]) Sep 20, 2012 9:07 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Andrew R. [UT]) Sep 20, 2012 10:01 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Steve [MA]) Sep 21, 2012 3:58 AM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by gevans [SC]) Sep 21, 2012 4:50 AM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Carolyn [MO]) Sep 21, 2012 5:50 AM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Lee [IN]) Sep 21, 2012 5:26 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Martin [MO]) Sep 21, 2012 5:50 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Smokowna [MD]) Sep 21, 2012 11:19 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by James [ID]) Sep 22, 2012 3:25 AM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by stan [IA]) Feb 9, 2013 7:36 AM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by C Mitchell [PA]) Feb 10, 2013 6:55 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Ed [NH]) Sep 12, 2013 5:04 PM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by handyman [OH]) Sep 14, 2013 10:41 AM
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Carolyn [MO]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 5:02 PM
A reasonably long-term tenant moved from a 3 bedroom house, and it is a good time to upgrade the electrical service. This is the last 3 bedroom I own that still has 60 amp service.
I am trying to decide whether to spend the extra money to upgrade to 200 amp rather than 100 amp. I don't know yet how much that extra will be. I had someone look at it today who will be giving me bids for the two alternatives.
I was the one suggesting 200 amp service. He actually was discouraging me from going to 200 amp, saying it wouldn't be needed unless I went all electric. There is a gas furnace which I will be replacing and a gas water heater. There are both gas and electric connections present for the dryer and the stove, but presently both are gas. There is central air, which I will be replacing.
The house is in a middle class neighborhood in a nice area. The homes generally are on the small side for being 3 bedrooms but are maintained fairly well. It is a mix of owner occupied and rentals. I actually have considered it for myself at some time, as it is the most accesible of any of any properties I own, with a fairly flat front yard and only one small step at the enrty. When I came home with my broken ankle a year and a half ago, I stayed for a few months at a house that was a block away.
100 amp vs 200 amp (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 5:43 PM
Carolyn, Cost is minimal and you'll never be sorry you allowed for expansion.
In fact, you might use up 100 with the swap.
Elec range, elec dryer, and central air will probably consume the 100 amps. Now add a microwave, second fridge, disposal, dishwasher, and the large screen TVs pull much more than old TVs.
Lifestyles change, adding MORE elctircal usage. When MY home was built in 1954 the owner was an engineer and overbult everything. He overbuilt the elec breaker panel by installing 100 amp service.
I bought a hot tub for Wifey and it needed 50 amps. The electrician calculated that in 2012 we were using 250 amps!! on the 100 amp box with everyday stuff. (BEFORE adding the hot tub!)
My inspectors require we install hard wired smoke detectors if we upgrade the box. It increases the cost but is a very good thing.
100 amp vs 200 amp (by V [OH]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 5:47 PM
My reply a few minutes ago to another electrical post on 200amp switchover -- As I mentioned early in the thread do a load calculation, then consider the incidental loading allowances, such as a disposer and dishwasher on the same circuit (unlikely you would be preparing foods using the disposer and washing the dinner dishes that has not been already served), also some of the posters have not considered there are 2 60 amp fuses when they mention countertop receptacle loading scenarios - to balance this kitchen place one circuit on line-a another on line-b, find some explanation of edison circuits to understand this concept. The 220 volt circuits are the ones that bring your overall amperage demand over 60 amps, again use the incidental loading and math on load calculations to determine how many amps - just dropping in a 200 amp load center will instantly put your usage into a high amp-hour rate even though it may never be used near the 200 amp rating - besides the cost of 200 amp service components is 4-7 times that of 100 amp system. --64.134.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by V [OH]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 6:02 PM
As a note to the usage of 250 amps thru a 100 amp load center at Brad's own house - this is proof the engineer did in fact plan for more usage and in fact 100 amp mains are working to provide 250 amps of -stuff- all controlled subliminally with the incidental loading concept, I would imagine an upgrade to 125 would run this house for years to come, well at least until you get an electric Porsche that requires some enormous amperage for a -fast- charger! --64.134.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 6:14 PM
Carolyn, another thougth: you;ll need a new riser. My guess is the exisiting "entrance cable" is small, old, cracked, and unsafe.
V, the original box had been added on-to many times over the years PRIOR to our occupancy - a tag-on box for the pool house and pump, another add-on box for central air, installed a double oven, disposal, radon system...
The electrician really got my 'tention when he had me place my hand on the front of the panel and it was toasty warm!
We installed 2 200 amp boxes and used MOST of the available amps. --50.129.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 6:22 PM
This one you dont even need to think about.
Go with the 200 amp.
Just 100 amp would not even be considered really an upgrade. --76.104.xxx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Clara [MI]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 6:52 PM
I, too, vote for the 200 amp service.
Additional cost will be minimal, but will benefit you immesurably. It will be a feature you can use to would be tenants. --99.18.xx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 7:02 PM
I see no need for 200 amp at all unless you plan to run a welder.I have 100 in my house and my parents have 60 amp fuses in there house with no problems --72.224.xx.x
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 7:36 PM
I just paid a master electrician about $1,800.00 to upgrade from 60 amp fuse box to a modern 200 amp breaker box. ARC fault breakers are code now and they are not cheap.
If you want an "all electric" house complete with electric Heat Pump w/heat strips,..you will need all of those 200 amps. --68.62.xxx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Jeff S [MI]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 7:39 PM
Sometimes you can find 125 or 150 amp boxes, but the cost of that 200 amp box is not that much more, and it will allow for future expansion, just the cost of running more circuits, not a cost of a complete tear out and replace.
Agree with Brad on that new riser, you may need to run another ground rod but it's better to be safe than sorry .... --50.4.xxx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Robert,Ontario,Canada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 8:25 PM
If one goes into a big box store then price out a 100 amp circuit breaker panel then price out a 200 amp circuit breaker panel which is only a little more. If one installs a 200 breaker panel then only uses a 100 amp then in the future one can add more circuit breakers to go 200 amps. --74.220.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by V [OH]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 9:07 PM
All the sticker shock comes when you see the copper prices - ouch, I will mention I have 22 1000sq ft units running on 60 amp main breakers, electric range/armstrong wall-pak-hvac/dishwashers-disposal/4 20 amp countertop circuits plus microwave hoods along with each room ceiling fan/lites and all the noise college students enjoy since 2003, I am still waiting for the first tripped breaker call, someday it will happen, hair dryers have gone into the tub making a gfci save the person who picked it up from dancing the shockwave. Get a load calculation before wasting money on big copper feeders and the other stuff you do not need.
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Andrew R. [UT]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2012 10:01 PM
I have 4 apartments at 80 AMP service. They all have electric stoves, central air, and electric dryers. No problems. I would do 100 AMP. If the cost is only 5-10% more, I would go with 200 AMP. --65.130.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2012 3:58 AM
Carolyn, in 40+ years as a LL / contractor, I have never had a client or myself "said gee I wish I had gone with a smaller size electrical, gas or water service". IMO you should go with the new 200 amp service.
It will never be any less expensive than now, gives you options on what you can add electric wise and it's a good feature for if you ever decide to sell this unit.
A lot of the McMansions around here are going with 400 & 800 amp services along with a 100 or 200 amp backup generator. Mostly it's a status thing especially the generator. In my little town it's rare that we ever have a power outage & when we do it's usually fixed within an hour or two.
I normally pay about $2,100.00 to upgrade to 200 amp with a Murray load center, new grounds, new meter socket, new plastic mast & permit. If the service is run under ground the price can easily double. This is work done by a fully licensed & insured electrical contractor.
As a favor to me, he just replaced my son's 100amp service with a new 200 amp service with a main 200 amp load center and a 100 amp sub panel for just $1,700.00. --71.243.xx.x
100 amp vs 200 amp (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2012 4:50 AM
200 amp minimum has been required by code here for YEARS.
Since you have gas furnace and water heater, you could likely get away with less... but I'd still spend the extra $$ to go with 200.
I installed a 200 amp, 40 breaker panel in my house in 92. I thought it was way overkill... but I now have 4 empty slots. Modern people use more electricity, that is not likely to change. How are they going to plug in that electric car without 200 amps? --141.129.x.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Carolyn [MO]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2012 5:50 AM
After I get bids, I will go back and reread all the comments here. The main reason I asked the contractor about going 200 amp was that as long as I was having to change a lot of htings, why not spend a little more and go to 200 amp.
If that little more turns out to be a whole lot, I probably won't do it. Of course, I don't know yet what I think of as "a whole lot." --70.246.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Lee [IN]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2012 5:26 PM
200, if not 400. you won't be sorry. Good luck. --96.31.xxx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Martin [MO]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2012 5:50 PM
KCP&L's opinion on this is...
To avoid expensive alterations later, the service entrance should be adequate for future growth as well as for present requirements. It is recommended that all new service entrances have a minimum capacity of 100 amps. However, all new meter sockets shall be rated for 200 amps.
So I would definitely go for 200A service. --108.87.xx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2012 11:19 PM
Just today, about half a day ago we were speaking of the same thing. I had a 100 amp panel, and a few 200 am panels. This for a two bedroom shack.
We decided that the 200 amp was needed in case I wanted to use electric baseboard...and that if the "man" caught us doing the heavy up that we would have to pull a permit...that being the case, if I go to the trouble of getting a permit than I may as well get the 200.
Years ago we quietly put in a 100, and I ended up packing that box and that was without electric base board heating.
The labor should be the same, material costs for the new riser will be a touch more. Get a few bids and save your money that way.
100 amp vs 200 amp (by James [ID]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2012 3:25 AM
Im with V - 100 amps used wisely is plenty. Energy will be getting more expensive - not cheaper in the future. There is a limit to this consumption. Save the money and go eat a steak or visit the family in France. --74.232.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by stan [IA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2013 7:36 AM
i have recently purchased a home, and it was a duplex which i am converting to a single family home, it has two breaker boxes in the basement. i want to have both these boxes removed and put in one 200 amp box, is there any thing i need to find out from the electric company if the power coming into the home if it will handle a 200 amp box --173.26.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by C Mitchell [PA]) Posted on: Feb 10, 2013 6:55 PM
100 amp versus 200 amp--Is it more expensive to heat an all electric house-baseboard electric heat, by 100 amp?? The house is now 100 amp. Should we change it to 200 amp to decrease the expense in the electric bill? --70.44.xxx.xx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by Ed [NH]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2013 5:04 PM
Upgrading to 200A service will likely not save you money unless your current load is significantly above 100A - in which case you may be generating noticeable resistance-based heat transfers at the panel and adding a few Kwh to your electric bill. Upgrading to 200A service provides you with the opportunity to lessen loads on individual zones by adding
adding additional circuits. You'll have more space on your panel. These benefits considerably outweigh any potential savings you'd see in your electric bill, simply through re-sale value of your property and the ability to add on to your service needs with ease. --71.168.xxx.xxx
100 amp vs 200 amp (by handyman [OH]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2013 10:41 AM
200! you will never be sorry for the extra capacity, and if you don't & decide to upgrade in the future you have to pay for all the labor again. On a related note: BE SURE to check how many circuits are in the box being installed, this is another size vs cost issue, I vote bigger again you'll never be sorry for the extra room. As a rule of thumb when you upgrade/install use no more than 80% of nominal full capacity. --50.126.xxx.xx