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lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Jun 28, 2011 4:55 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by RR [WA]) Jun 28, 2011 5:15 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by in [IN]) Jun 28, 2011 5:16 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Virden [OH]) Jun 28, 2011 5:17 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Jun 28, 2011 5:33 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Hoodster [MO]) Jun 28, 2011 5:34 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Jun 28, 2011 5:39 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by RR [WA]) Jun 28, 2011 5:40 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by tammy [MD]) Jun 28, 2011 5:59 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Jun 28, 2011 6:11 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Tom [PA]) Jun 28, 2011 7:40 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Robert J [CA]) Jun 28, 2011 7:49 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 28, 2011 7:57 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by RR78 [VA]) Jun 28, 2011 8:01 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Robert,Ontario,Canada [ON]) Jun 28, 2011 8:55 PM
       lIvability code enforcers (by tammy [MD]) Jun 29, 2011 4:10 AM
       lIvability code enforcers (by billy [MA]) Jun 29, 2011 6:22 AM
       lIvability code enforcers (by David [TN]) Jun 29, 2011 8:49 AM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Blue [IL]) Jun 29, 2011 11:30 AM
       lIvability code enforcers (by Handyman Helper [OH]) Jul 5, 2011 8:08 AM


lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 4:55 PM
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State Specific Question About: MARYLAND (MD)

We own a 3 unit house in Carroll County Md. A tenant got angry because I wouldn't allow him to deduct light bulb from his rent. So in retalitation he hired an electrician to enter into our private landlord utility area located beneath another unit by misleading the tenant of his need to enter. He also took Health Inspectors in and filed a long inspection to do list with Livability Code Enforcer. In return I found out 3 weeks later of the inspections again in an unaurthorized area. The county did not notify me until they were done enter areas without my knowledge. I am now at risk of being sued for silly things. The only thing not silly is my UV light in utility area was disconnected per the Electrician and Health Dept Rep so I immediately sent out our plumber just to be notified the unit was missing. What can I do about all this. To date I am out 2k and have an empty building now and tenants threatening suit. Now the county was aware f or 3wks unit was unplugged that provided safe drinking water and never notified for 3wks. I ask who is wrong here and where is my unit?

disgusted and feel very violated.

--68.49.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by RR [WA]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:15 PM
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Yes this all sucks and you were wronged, but the cat is now out of the bag, now all you can do is try to fix the mess. Why is the building vacant? Has it been red tagged? If not, then focus on getting it re-rented ASAP. If red-tagged, make nice with the inspectors and fix what needs to be fixed.

"private landlord utility area" - WHY did any tenant have a key to this area? Seems like this is where your problems started. Don't let it happen again. Certain rooms, I keep locked and no one has a key and no one enters without me there. Most code type people can't force entry without a warrant, but if a tenant lets them in well, they will go in.

tenants threatening suit - for what? Lots threaten, few actually do it.

Is the government trying to fine/sue you as well?

Need more details.

--76.22.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by in [IN]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:16 PM
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When a tenant wants to deduct something, let him. When a tenant wants to leave let him...

Be nice and keep a record, and include it in the SD, when he is gone...

Business is about liability and profit,

You opened yourself up...

Been there done that...Limit you liability. --67.163.xx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by Virden [OH]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:17 PM
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I think you need a police report for unauthorized entry, the habitation issues will need to be corrected, how well did this person go when you screened them? Named suspect reports go pretty fast, do it tonight. --76.241.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:33 PM
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Details... the list the tenant made is well really will take about 1hr to correct. He proclaims that the steps to upstairs unit is loose (not true), front steps of his unit bad ( which he has never used in 3yrs btw 1 step) toilet in his unit is loose which he deducted 150 dollars months ago to repair toilet was fine when we rented it to him, roof in sunroom has leaked which again we paid him and another tenant a roofer to fix 500.00. 3 electrical sockets in one unit was wired to another unit...this I was not aware of but corrected it right away. the water situation is this in 2007 when we bought the building the water came back with less then 51 m of bacteria chlorination didn't work so we had a uv system put on by a licensed plumber and got a perfect reading back on water and then and only then did we begin to rent units. Meanwhile code enforcer 1yr later sent all tenants a notice that i was in violation of bad water and never corrected it telling all of them it was contimanited because he didn't read the health dept reports which he was cc'd on in 2007 this raised a big issue with tenants. I then had to provide all tenants of my safe water cert. However you know how tenants are they seen this as a window of opportunity thank you Mr. Inspector. Ok put that to rest then this issue over not paying for a light bulb... I don't have the hatch door to basement locked never seen a reason too the tenants all were aware and advised it was off limits including the tenant that rents the unit that has access. She was told by disgruntled tenant that he wanted to check his hot water heater because it wasn;t working so she left her door unlocked and the flock of inspections began. I have no problem fixing things but really they can just violate my property like this? It doesn't seem legal especially the fact that my UV unit was taken and of coure none of the 3 documented entries have any idea where it went. ughhh I want to press trespassing and theft charges on all of them feedback pls I thank you all for your help :-) --68.49.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by Hoodster [MO]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:34 PM
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I'd start marketing the open units and aggressively planning and working towards getting them passed by the city. I get clobbered by inspectors all the time. They are always right, no matter what. They are so good they create their own building codes and rules. Easier to bend over than to resist... and trust me, I reisted once and was quickly shown what happens when you resist... Figure out how to get out of the hold and get going.. what's done is done and it sucks.. the sooner you fill the unit, the sooner you'll have this behind you.. --99.119.xx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:39 PM
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Oooops forgot the reason the building is vacant because the disgruntled tenant I evicted him right away for non payment of rent and he was on a month to month gave him his 30days instead he moved out in 2wks. The upstairs apt same thing dead beat. The tenant that allowed entry has an opportunity to live for free so she is taking it. Ughhh I am actually grateful for the clean slate. Oh and I also rec a letter today from inspector with the list of complaints stating it is his finding i am in violation of 2 codes based on tenants word. Let me say he has never looked at anything the only thing documented as true is the water becuase someone stole the uv, and the 3 sockets. So noone wants to pay me now cuz I am in violation of codes. --68.49.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by RR [WA]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:40 PM
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"I don't have the hatch door to basement locked"

"so she left her door unlocked"

Which is it? Was the area locked or unlocked? If unlocked, I think you shot yourself in the foot. Someone , anyone, may have stolen the expensive UV gadget.

Around here, anything not bolted down will be stolen eventually.

Hoodster, love the wisdom in your posting. Will be printing that one.

--76.22.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by tammy [MD]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 5:59 PM
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the basement hatch door not locked in her washer / dryer room. Her apt is locked but she left it unlocked so he could get into her apt to look at his hot water heater. I am sorry not being very clear stressed is the word. lol anywho I did go up against the county several times actually and have won all court cases against them prolly why I am their target I cannot stand to be wronged. These people think they can do anything they want.. However they are not red tagging me or anything of that nature they know I will press charges, take em to court or whatever if I beleive they have voilated my rights.They are completely being nice and going ok we can work with that or this they are not hammering me just causing chaos with my tenants will soon to be ole tenants giving them reason to beleive they can sue me based off county letters. I actually refer to it as harrassments. Meeting with head hancho tomorrow we will see. I know it takes alot of energy and I should just fix and let go but dammit we need to stand up for ourselves we are not ATM machines .. right ? --68.49.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by Tammy [MD]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 6:11 PM
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yes going up against them can be tragic for us.. lol but call me a rebel that is loosing money .. i suppose i am the fool my points i guess don't need to be driven home ... have 14 people coming to look at units this sunday. alot of response this is in a rural area and they are nice places i am def. not a slum lord as tenant has implied. --68.49.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by Tom [PA]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 7:40 PM
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Tammy of MD, Did you run credit checks on your 2 deadbeat tenants prior to them moving into the units? --70.145.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 7:49 PM
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In Los Aneles a tenant didn't like the idea that their front entry way had an exterior light on a motion sensor. The light uses $3.00 a month worth of power. Instead of asking me to pay for the power, I would have been gald to do that, the tenant reported illegal use of their power. As a result, my property was temporarly taken away from me, rents were with held, a lien was placed on the property and I had to jump though hoops and enjoy attornies to resolve the issue. Total out of pocket cost -- over $10,000. Be lucky you are out only 2K.

Now I carry a big stick to keep unwanted inspectors off of my properties. The police are on the side of city workers and in court you can not win a judgement against the city because of an employee mistake. Los Angeles sucks! --173.55.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 7:57 PM
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I suppose that it isn't really relevant, but do I understand that you let yourself in for all of this drama over a 19 cent light bulb? Its not your real story, but the moral is that it doesn't pay to be too cheap and your anger and feeling of being "violated" is not consistent with a good business attitude. The tenant has every right to report what he/she thinks are livability violations at any time. Thats what inspections are for.

Life is full of problems, landlord life included. Learn to solve them without distress.

Whatever the tenants' complaints, you should evaluate if they are genuine livability problems (by the standards of the authorities, not by your standards), solve them, and never let them become a problem again.

Its not likely that you will be sued, only that the authorities may cite you for some violations. You will have to repair them, perhaps pay some penalty. If you are genuinely afraid of a lawsuit, see your lawyer. You should have one available in general.

--96.247.xx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 8:01 PM
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The way I see it. You have a duty to provide the UV light for safe water. The code guys could care less if it got stolen or why it’s not working. Either you have it and its up to code or not. Even if not your fault it’s stolen, it’s not a free ride and you replace immediately.

If anything is not up to code you have to fix. Its part of the business and sometimes can be a pain.

It happens and an inspector can go into about any house and find some things wrong if really looking.

You don’t have a argument with the tenant letting in a code official. That would never be considered a problem unless you have something to hide. Not what I think, but what a Judge would think, and that’s what counts.

You asked about trespassing. Would not apply in this case. Sounds like everybody involved were invited or allowed in to normally locked apartment by the tenant. So this would be consider permission to enter. The utility area would then be considered part of this area. Or once in the apartment would be considered free to access to any unlocked areas.

The following may not fly, but would be your best or only argument.

Now you did say the only access to the UV light is thru this tenants apartment. So you bill the tenant for the cost of the UV light that was missing. Tenant is responsible for anyone they let in the apartment. This would not apply to code officials, but tenant will not have much luck convincing a Judge a code official stole a UV light and then wrote you up for it.

If the tenant does not pay rent you evict. And go to court with a record that you repaired any real problems in a reasonable amount of time when you find out about them.

Also with the toilet. Get a real plumber in there to fix it right. Get him to note on the invoice the previous repair was not done correctly. Then charge the tenant for return of the $150.00 you paid.

Code violations don’t allow them to live rent-free. But you will want to prove its now up to code, when you go to court.

Code being what you can get the code officials to agree to.

--76.104.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by Robert,Ontario,Canada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 28, 2011 8:55 PM
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The minimum building code is that all the plumbing and electrical works along with there can no loose plaster or missing floor tiles. It is worthwhile to join a landlords association where there are listings on this site. Tenants can free advise from the leftist government funded tenancy advocate groups. One needs to keep a log book of anything done on the rentals. Usually a building inspector will give a owner time to repair any faults with a rental. Some jurisdictions a building inspector will contact the owner first to see if the problem can be repaired instead of doing a inspection then writing up work order. Most work orders give time to repair then once the inspection is done then everything ends. A compact flourescent light bulb at the dollar store can cost a dollar or two which is not significant cost. Some tenants forget they are renting a space where there are different rights. Once in while everyone gets a tenant who will cause problems. Sooner or later if they don't get there way they move out and sometimes cause damage to retaliate when they don't get there way. More the twenty four years took over a apartment building where there were hostile tenants who created a lot of problems by trying to appeal the rent increases. After getting a 20.5% and 14.75% rent increase over two years the five problem tenants moved out in January. The tenants keep calling the building inspector to try to get a work order. When they were no longer able to appeal the rent increases the five moved out when with one ad rented all five apartments then there were no more problems. The tenants said it was not fair that had to pay with a rent increase for major repairs and damage done by vandalism to the apartment building which was done by tenants. One of the tenancy advocates said landlords should take out reverse equity on the apartment buildings as landlords should not make a profit at all. Some of the government funded advocate chairs are actually homeowners. Wonder if they are building equity on their own homes. These nuts are so leftist then why are they homeowners. Come on sell those homes then buy a apartment building to operate it as a non-profit. Finally last year had a tenant who contacted the building inspector then the tenant was not going to let in to do the repairs. Went down to talk to the building inspector the same day then there was no work order. The tenant came back after moving out then the suite solid wood door was kicked in. The tenant went down to the electrical area cut the power then the left the refrigerator full of food. Threw everything out of the refrigerator then changed the deadbolt where with 3 kicks the solid wood door was destroyed. He broke in the washing machines to avoid paying for wash. Put in bolts where the cover could not be pryed open. One of clothes dryers was completely destroyed as something combustable was put in. Where the tenant moved to the owner took out all the coin laundry equipment as the tenants in that building keep breaking into the machines. --74.220.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by tammy [MD]) Posted on: Jun 29, 2011 4:10 AM
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OMG Robert your story is horrible I should be grateful I assume. At rr78 I was made aware it was missing/stolen on the 10th of June had bottled water delivered that day and a new uv installed that week. So I did do what I was supposed to do! Sorry maybe I did't post right. When they speak I jump, but this was all a set up of destruction so I guess I wiil play nice and just get resolved sounds much easier then some of your stories. Also it was not a 1.00 light bulb it was a 22.00 flourescent light and they tenant always ran 12-20 days late and I always let late fee;s go to be nice... anywho he is out and hopefully I will get a better set of tenants next trip. lol thanks for all of your feedback.., --68.49.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by billy [MA]) Posted on: Jun 29, 2011 6:22 AM
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i went thru one like this.many of us have i expect.u must fix things now.lock the d door and keep it locked.a lady was raped in laundry room across the street from where i lived.this is a classic case.tennie gets mad at u and calls inspectors who give u a laundry list to be fixed in 30 days.i would write the inspector today that im getting on these things right away and will keep him advised.update him every 2 weeks as to your progress.the board of health or city inspectors are not to be messed with. --173.162.xxx.xxx




lIvability code enforcers (by David [TN]) Posted on: Jun 29, 2011 8:49 AM
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Tammy,

First... NEVER let your tenants do repairs or pay them to do repairs unless they are licensed professionals and it is all done with contracts and paper trails.

You don't want to get your rents mixed up with charge offs and labor. It muddies your rights as a LL to evict for non payment and TRAINS your tenants that they have say in how the business is run. It also opens you to liability if the job isn't done correctly or someone gets hurt.

NEVER PLAY NICE.... Charge all late fees and stick to it. I have a "one time waiver of late fee" coupon that good tenants who are current with all issues can get ONCE . BUT I make them jump through hoops to get it and they cant be more than 4 days late. I want them to feel discomfort and stress at being late and have to ASK and apply for the waiver. Its part of their training. Violate our agreement and it will be unpleasant for you.

Once a tenant has been there a long time and is a good well trained tenant with excellent payment history and no drama, YOU have the option of letting things slide if YOU decide to.

TRAIN your tenants they way YOU want them to behave or they will train YOU !

--68.52.xxx.xx




lIvability code enforcers (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: Jun 29, 2011 11:30 AM
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Print out what David said above.

You are the boss and take care of things or you're not. You can't have it both ways.

Never let tenants do ANY repairs. --204.233.xxx.x




lIvability code enforcers (by Handyman Helper [OH]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2011 8:08 AM
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Maybe for future concerns; list certain maintenance areas off-limits to tenants, or their guests, as well as lock them. Then when these "inspections" are done they can be charged with trespassing or even breaking and entering, which then opens a legal question about the viability of any information gained thereby and potentially makes the tenant liable for expenses due to said trespass or b & e (loss of rent from any/all units, court defense expenses, and so forth). A thought, don't know if it would actually work in the legal system, but should cause the tenant pause and think before trying something like this. --107.8.xx.xxx





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