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Cleaning and SD return? (by Buyslake [MN]) Nov 13, 2010 10:52 AM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by Moshe [CA]) Nov 13, 2010 11:43 AM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by buyslake [MN]) Nov 13, 2010 12:28 PM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by meinda [MD]) Nov 13, 2010 1:36 PM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by Dan [WI]) Nov 13, 2010 7:08 PM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by Martin [MO]) Nov 14, 2010 7:02 AM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Nov 14, 2010 8:59 PM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by billy [MA]) Nov 15, 2010 6:42 AM
       Cleaning and SD return? (by CDM [CA]) Nov 15, 2010 7:53 AM


Cleaning and SD return? (by Buyslake [MN]) Posted on: Nov 13, 2010 10:52 AM
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State Specific Question About: MINNESOTA (MN)

I have a couple that recently moved of my rental 3 bd house. They claimed that they cleaned the house. But basically all I can see that they did was wipe off the kitchen counter and have a carpet cleaning service come in. The rest of the house has had no cleaning. The house was very clean when they moved in.

I have run into this before, people spend less then 1 hour cleaning when they leave and "their view of a clean house" is not where close to my view of a clean house.

Basically it will take me two days to clean the house.

I'm I able to remove my hours and expense from the security deposit for cleaning? There is no obvious damage that I can see.

Here is the Minnesota legal language regarding returning security deposit, the following is the only clause I see pertaining to this.

"(2) to restore the premises to their condition at the commencement of the tenancy, ordinary wear and tear excepted."

It says ordinary wear and tear excepted? What about the clean state of the house??????????????

If the house is completely clean and move in ready when the tenants arrive.

Do you landlords expect to the house to be in that condition when the tenants leave so it is ready for the next tenants to move with out any cleaning by the landlord/owner?

Or is it expected the landlord/owner to clean after each tenant?

And if you need to clean, do you remove that from the security deposit.

I need a clear answer. I told the tenant the place was nota as clean as when they moved in and his response was, "it is cleaner then when they move in and if I did not agree his sister is a lawyer".

So if I hold any sec dep. I believe I may end up court. But I need to go spent two days cleaning to get it ready for next tenants.

Please advise the tenant is nagging me for his sec. dep. back I have to get it out by the 19th according to the 3 week rule.

--173.19.xx.xx




Cleaning and SD return? (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Nov 13, 2010 11:43 AM
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MN law says "condition at the commencement of the tenancy". I have no doubt that condition includes cleanliness.

Can you document condition at commencement of tenancy, and also at termination of tenancy?

If yes, then I would not hesitate to have premises cleaned and use security deposit to defray the expense.

--96.247.xx.xxx




Cleaning and SD return? (by buyslake [MN]) Posted on: Nov 13, 2010 12:28 PM
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I personally cleaned the house prior to these tenants moving in and also paid a cleaner for 2 hours of cleaning.

However it is tough to get dirt to show with pictures sometimes. I do have pictures of dust and dirt from after they moved out. I need to find pictures from before they moved out, I may have some. --173.19.xx.xx




Cleaning and SD return? (by meinda [MD]) Posted on: Nov 13, 2010 1:36 PM
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Dealing with this right now. Tenants insist that they will leave it as clean as it was when they moved in. Know what that means. this is going to get ugly. I will persue them to the end of the earth. In the end I will hire someone to clean it so that I can get it rented. Nobody seems to clean to my satisfaction--fan blades and sliding glass door tracks never seem to be touched by cleaning folks. I plan to make a list to give them in the future so that they know what I need done. --216.36.xx.xxx




Cleaning and SD return? (by Dan [WI]) Posted on: Nov 13, 2010 7:08 PM
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Sounds like it's a he said-she said sort of thing now. Based upon input I received from this forum and Robinson's "Landlording" book, I videotape the move in and literally walk them through each room. Since everyone is in a good mood during move in it goes pretty well. --71.51.xxx.x




Cleaning and SD return? (by Martin [MO]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2010 7:02 AM
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I was convinced this was normal wear and tear UNTIL you said it would take 2 days to clean.

If it is going to take two days, there must be something to photograph. If it will not show up in a picture, then I have to believe it is normal wear and tear, and should not be deducted from the SD. --71.158.xxx.xx




Cleaning and SD return? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2010 8:59 PM
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For this reason we charge a $200 Non-Refundable Exit Cleaning Fee at lease signing. We always send in a pro housekeeper and carpet shampoo guy. They cleaned on the way in and clean on the way out. It takes about the same amount of time to clean a dirty tub or a filthy tub. We charge extra for hauling trash/furniture and painting/repairs.

With this technique, we don't have to argue about what is "clean", "wear & tear", or substantiate such charges before a judge.

If we go to court, we're talking about unpaid rent and obvious repairs.

If the Sec Dep is $500, split it into $300 Sec Dep and $200 Non-Refundable Exit Cleaning Fee. --67.175.xx.xxx




Cleaning and SD return? (by billy [MA]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2010 6:42 AM
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our guys often do a quickie clean when they leave and we often have to get a cleaning lady to touch it up.no problem. --173.14.xxx.xxx




Cleaning and SD return? (by CDM [CA]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2010 7:53 AM
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I clean after tenants leave and only charge the security deposit for such things as dirty oven or refrigerator, excessive touchup for marks and nail holes on walls, and of course real damage. If the tenant had a pet, I get the carpets professionally cleaned and charge the security deposit for that, because the incoming tenants may have allergies and all pets leave dander.

Otherwise, I expect to do a routine cleaning and paint touchup and don't charge the security deposit if the tenant left the place looking tidy and undamaged. --70.143.xx.xx





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