Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels
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Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Roy [AL]) Aug 5, 2010 6:11 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by mike [MO]) Aug 5, 2010 6:19 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by NE [PA]) Aug 5, 2010 6:57 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by George [NJ]) Aug 5, 2010 8:27 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by 574-Brad [IN]) Aug 5, 2010 10:16 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Echo [GA]) Aug 5, 2010 11:11 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by REID [KS]) Aug 5, 2010 11:50 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Opinionated [NC]) Aug 5, 2010 2:15 PM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Virden [OH]) Aug 5, 2010 9:11 PM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by gevans [SC]) Aug 6, 2010 4:34 AM
       Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Roy [AL]) Aug 6, 2010 10:25 AM


Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 6:11 AM
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Most of the 50 year old plus houses I have bought have an outside main service panel (breaker box) where 120/220 power wires come down from the vertical Service Head. This breaker box is sometimes small and may only have 4 breakers in it. In addition, there may be a sub-panel box close to it or the sub-panel breaker box is located inside the house somewhere. Some of the older houses will have an ancient but still functioning screw-in 60 amp fuse box in addition to outside breaker box.

In other houses, you have one big modern breaker box outside with slots for 40 breakers but only 25 may be actually used. And then you may or may not have another sub-panel box inside the house also.

Does anyone here understand electicity enough to expalin why the above electrical breaker box configurations exist? I know that sub-panels boxes are installed when there is not enough "room" in the main service panel to accomodate more breakers. Instead of installing sub-panels, why don't electricians just install a big breaker box and put all breakers in one box? I have one house that 2 sub-panels outside and another one inside. All of the electricians I have hired seem to love to add sub-panel boxes,..why is this?

With rental houses, do you prefer the Main Service Panel (breaker box) to be located outside or inside the house,..assuming you have a choice here. I have seen it both ways.

--76.18.xxx.xxx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by mike [MO]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 6:19 AM
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I guess they dont want to pull the permit and do it right. With the larger panel, they would most likely need to replace the service cable back to the weather head so that the sizing is correct.

On rehabs, I typically replace the service and have a single correctly sized box based on the house needs --70.239.xxx.xxx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 6:57 AM
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Mike hit it on the nose. It's easier to run a sub-feed for a few extra circuits than have inspectors come out. You can have an electrician, who you know well enough to share a few beers with, come in and switch you from a 60amp fuse panel to a 100 amp breaker box by just popping out the meter from its base. however, you can't go above a 100 amp box to a 200 amp box typically because of the line coming off of the pole to the house isn't rated high enough. Also, you may see 200 amp services with a 100 amp breaker to a 100 amp sub-feed for the same reason. you need to feed a garage or a basement remodel, and it is easier to sub-feed that put in an extra meter. get to know an electrician very well, and magic happens. --74.212.x.xx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by George [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 8:27 AM
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I doubt very much that they don't "do it right" because they don't want to get it inspected. It comes down to what the customer is willing to pay for. Do I just add a new sub panel for $800 or redo the entire service for $2,400 with the new additions? What do you think most answers are???

I've upgraded plenty of new electric services without permits, the service drops from the pole remain the same, the power company doesn't change them, and that's right from a lineman here. So it's not the fear of inspections, alot of their work isn't permitted / inspected anyway.

--76.6.xx.xx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by 574-Brad [IN]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 10:16 AM
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I have several houses that way. My house is that way. Has three electric meters actually.

One 200 amp runs part of the house

One 100 amp service runs to one box and then it has another 100 amp breaker going to another box in the house.

I do not know why there is three meters though. And all of them are active and have a bill. --66.228.xxx.xx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Echo [GA]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 11:11 AM
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I dont know alot about this stuff, but Hubby does. But I think we have several places this way. Mostly do to us adding Central A/C to the units. --98.94.xx.xxx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by REID [KS]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 11:50 AM
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Some older houses had a smaller box under the weather head out doors so power could be cut off to the whole house from the ouside . --70.250.xxx.xxx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Opinionated [NC]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 2:15 PM
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The NEC specifies only one meter per occupancy unless utility maximum service size is insufficient. Typically that maximum would be 6000 amperes at 4160 volts. The services you have could all be safe and proper. --66.226.xx.xxx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Virden [OH]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2010 9:11 PM
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Remove the meter and start with new cable in the mast sized for 100 amps if you need 100 amp load center - what size you need is found by sq ft X 3 than add the 220 appliance loads, so you may end up less than 100, great - the meter wiring will never be at risk, sub-panels should be squeezed back to one panel and labeled each circuit. --76.241.xxx.xxx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2010 4:34 AM
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NEC has required for many years a main cut off. This is a big reason some older places have an added box outside, next to the meter. Any electrical upgrades that require you to pull a permit, and the main breaker is required.

Many people avoid this by adding boxes, sometimes without permits. Not necessarily unsafe, but may not meet code.

The cost of changing the entire service is much greater than just adding a box. What do you do if the original wire is not long enough to make the connection in the new box? Pull another one. It gets worky and expensive real fast. --141.129.x.xx




Breaker Boxes /Sub-Panels (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2010 10:25 AM
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Gevans,

The house that I inspected yesterday had a 60 amp fuse box in the kitchen and a small breaker box under the outside meter which had 3 - 240 amp breakers in it and a 4th Main Shut Off breaker switch.

Would you allow your tenants to use a 60 amp fuse box (in the kitchen) or have this fuse box converted to a breaker box? What are the chances of a tenant putting pennies in the fuse box? --76.18.xxx.xxx





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