OT - underwater welding (by Jeff S [MI]) Jun 1, 2010 8:07 AM
OT - underwater welding (by TxMike [TX]) Jun 1, 2010 8:13 AM
OT - underwater welding (by TxMike [TX]) Jun 1, 2010 8:13 AM
OT - underwater welding (by Jeff S [MI]) Jun 1, 2010 8:32 AM
OT - underwater welding (by in [IN]) Jun 1, 2010 8:58 AM
OT - underwater welding (by Virden [OH]) Jun 1, 2010 11:36 AM
OT - underwater welding (by in [IN]) Jun 1, 2010 12:20 PM
OT - underwater welding (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 1, 2010 12:28 PM
OT - underwater welding (by 574-Brad [IN]) Jun 1, 2010 12:31 PM
OT - underwater welding (by Jeff S [MI]) Jun 1, 2010 7:15 PM
OT - underwater welding (by Jeff S [MI]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 8:07 AM Message:
Wondering why they cannot simply weld a pipe with a shutoff valve on top of the current pipe then turn it off ? Pressure too great that it will split the pipes - IF successful ?? Haven't heard any engineering details .... I know it's a mile down there, but is it a possibility with a robot on a sub ?
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OT - underwater welding (by TxMike [TX]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 8:13 AM Message:
I have been wondering the same thing. I thought they could put a sleve on it, that had a valve attached to it, that would accept a hose to an awaiting ship above for the oil to flow to. Leave the valve open while welding it, so there wouldn't be any pressure on the joint, then shut the valve off, attach the hose, then let it flow to the ship....maybe too simplistic... --205.188.xxx.xx |
OT - underwater welding (by TxMike [TX]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 8:13 AM Message:
I have been wondering the same thing. I thought they could put a sleve on it, that had a valve attached to it, that would accept a hose to an awaiting ship above for the oil to flow to. Leave the valve open while welding it, so there wouldn't be any pressure on the joint, then shut the valve off, attach the hose, then let it flow to the ship....maybe too simplistic... --205.188.xxx.xx |
OT - underwater welding (by Jeff S [MI]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 8:32 AM Message:
Seems reasonable to me ... the sleeve idea would give additional strength to the original pipe .... --207.238.xxx.xxx |
OT - underwater welding (by in [IN]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 8:58 AM Message:
If this were China or Russia they would just nuke it and close it off, and BP could drill a new well.
We like paper work here, they like results, but then most countries are not stupid enough to let work go on a mile deep in water, and let environmental groups run the country. --67.163.xx.xx |
OT - underwater welding (by Virden [OH]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 11:36 AM Message:
Underwater welding requires clean surfaces about the same as in the atomosphere where inert gases are used to prevent oxidation, to "nuke it" is entirely a senseless idea - all you would have is a larger more fragile hole in the ocean floor to close than the existing one, what many of us fail to realize is the pipe fitting in the ocean floor is about the size of a 2 car garage and stands about 3 stories high, the leakage is on the outside of that - the return of seafloor mud to interact with the leaking area may infact work once the pressure is relieved using the idea of drilling new wells nearby this one, erecting a platform there and supplying potable water, electricity and manpower is gonna take some time, then the actual drilling begins and this whole thing is gonna have the public asking 24thousand questions a minute on each side of the gulf. --76.241.xxx.x |
OT - underwater welding (by in [IN]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 12:20 PM Message:
I think a big sharkbite would do it, maybe Lowe's could order them one.
If we can do it for a small pipe we can do it for a larger one...come on...
I think they are waiting for permission to do something....this is a Union Job and the Government is involved. --67.163.xx.xx |
OT - underwater welding (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 12:28 PM Message:
I wonder why they don't put one of those concrete tophats over it and then pump the tophat full of mud or concrete?
There may be other solutions that haven't been mentioned since I think they are trying to save their well investment costs not our Louisiana coastline. --76.99.xxx.xx |
OT - underwater welding (by 574-Brad [IN]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 12:31 PM Message:
I don't see how you could. That would be like trying to solder a copper pipe while water is bursting out of it. --66.228.xxx.x |
OT - underwater welding (by Jeff S [MI]) Posted on: Jun 1, 2010 7:15 PM Message:
Brad:
Here's a part of a paper written in the 70s:
UNDERWATER WELDING
Amit Mukund Joshi (Mechanical Engineer)
Junior Research Fellow
Mechanical Engineering Department
Indian Institute of Technology
I.I.T – Bombay
Developments in Under Water Welding
Wet welding has been used as an underwater welding technique for a long time and is still being used. With recent acceleration in the construction of offshore structures underwater welding has assumed increased importance. This has led to the development of alternative welding methods like friction welding, explosive welding, and stud welding. Sufficient literature is not available of these processes.
¾ Scope for further developments
Wet MMA is still being used for underwater repairs, but the quality of wet welds is poor and are prone to hydrogen cracking. Dry Hyperbaric welds are better in quality than wet welds. Present trend is towards automation. THOR – 1 (TIG Hyperbaric Orbital Robot) is developed where diver performs pipefitting, installs the trac and orbital head on the pipe and the rest process is automated.
Developments of diverless Hyperbaric welding system is an even greater challenge calling for annexe developments like pipe preparation and aligning, automatic electrode and wire reel changing functions, using a robot arm installed. This is in testing stage in deep waters. Explosive and friction welding are also to be tested in deep waters.
REFERENCES
1) D. J Keats, Manual on Wet Welding.
2) Annon, Recent advances in dry underwater pipeline welding, Welding Engineer, 1974.
3) Lythall, Gibson, Dry Hyperbaric underwater welding, Welding Institute.
4) W.Lucas, International conference on computer technology in welding.
5) Stepath M. D, Underwater welding and cutting yields slowly to research, Welding Engineer, April 1973.
6) Silva, Hazlett, Underwater
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