getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) May 26, 2010 1:59 PM|
getting rid of tenant (by reid [KS]) May 26, 2010 2:24 PM
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) May 26, 2010 2:30 PM
getting rid of tenant (by Lori [NV]) May 26, 2010 2:41 PM
getting rid of tenant (by in [IN]) May 26, 2010 2:52 PM
getting rid of tenant (by Irish [MD]) May 26, 2010 5:11 PM
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) May 26, 2010 6:03 PM
getting rid of tenant (by Natalie [CA]) May 26, 2010 6:16 PM
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) May 26, 2010 6:39 PM
getting rid of tenant (by CDM [CA]) May 26, 2010 8:59 PM
getting rid of tenant (by CTLL [CT]) May 27, 2010 3:41 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Jon S [PA]) May 27, 2010 6:54 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Lori [NV]) May 27, 2010 8:32 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Wilma [PA]) May 27, 2010 9:23 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Natalie [CA]) May 27, 2010 10:04 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Lori [NV]) May 27, 2010 10:44 AM
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) May 27, 2010 11:03 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Lois [CA]) May 27, 2010 11:47 AM
getting rid of tenant (by Mike45 [NV]) May 27, 2010 9:01 PM
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) May 30, 2010 4:24 PM
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 1:59 PM
State Specific Question About: CALIFORNIA (CA)
I have a tenant who I rented an in-law unit to with a one year lease. She has been here less than 2 months. She is not in violation of the lease but has been very hostile and troublesome and I don't want her making my life hell at my home residence. I want to get her to move but don't believe I have cause for eviction.
There are no specific rental ordinances, rent control or other local agencies involved in our area.
Can I ask this person to move? I am willing to void the lease and give her up to 60 days to find a new place. I would also allow her a discount from her rent to offset her moving costs.
What can I do to get her out? --64.85.xxx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by reid [KS]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 2:24 PM
Why don't you just tell her you don't like her and you wish she would move. Let her out of the lease and wish her well. --70.250.xxx.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 2:30 PM
Already tried the easy solutions. I politely have asked her to consider moving. She is not cooperating. I'm going to have to take action to get her out. --64.85.xxx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by Lori [NV]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 2:41 PM
THat's why I don't do leases. MTM is much easier to get rid of.
Since she is hostile, turn the tables. Become the annoying landlord. Pop in unexpctedly every day. Play music loud. Have loud parties. Reve your motor on your car at 4 am. Find things she does to complain to her about. Get the picture. She will finally move if you become annoying enough. --74.45.xx.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by in [IN]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 2:52 PM
Cut the stat line on the AC Sat night thing will heat up... --67.163.xx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by Irish [MD]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 5:11 PM
Taking the actions recommended by some of the above responses could also lead to more problems to you...since a pro-PITA tenant may know that they can charge you with "retaliation"....and wind up with you in deeper doo doo..
You have to know where to draw the line on "over the line" retaliation measures..based on your past experiences in such...if no experiences...be very careful...
You may have read other posts about the Happy Clause...if not do a site search to read...
Sometimes, you have to cough up $$ to encourage the problem tenant to accept and move...the number of $$ can vary....until the problem tenant sees a win for them to move...and for you...how much will you pay to get them out and ease your pain and suffering and torment... --96.239.xxx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 6:03 PM
Thanks. I'm surprised at these comments. I would never do any of the things that some of these people suggested. I'm a responsible landlord and most of the suggestions above are illegal. Besides that, they are counter productive and wrong.
I've gotten legal counsel and I can only ask her to leave and offer to offset her move costs. If a tenant is not in violation of the lease then it can't be broken. Once the term is up they're out!!! --98.210.xx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by Natalie [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 6:16 PM
"She is not in violation of the lease but has been very hostile and troublesome"
"I politely have asked her to consider moving. She is not cooperating."
The point is this is not the type of tenant that you need to be polite with, she is probably interpreting it as weakness. No one is saying you have to break the law, but you have to stand up to her and make her understand that you're not to be pushed around, and if she is not going to behave then she should leave. --24.6.xxx.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 6:39 PM
I agree about standing up but I don't think being polite or at least professional is a sign of weakness.
Legally I can't force her to leave. Antagonizing her further is not in my best interest. It only increases stress and bad feelings which affects my quality of life too.
I'm not weak. She is probably intimidated by me and that may be part of her reaction. Worst case I get her out at the end of the lease which is in 10 months. I'll just have to live with it until then.
Experience is a wicked teacher. --98.210.xx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by CDM [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2010 8:59 PM
I agree with those who suggest offering her money to move out. After all, you're asking her to go to the considerable expense and inconvenience of moving. Think about how much it would be worth to you to have her gone. --70.143.xx.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by CTLL [CT]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 3:41 AM
Try diplomacy. Try killing her... with KINDNESS.
Is it her? Or is it you? How is she being hostile and troublesome? Or are you making HER life miserable?
Just curious. 'Cause my sister and mother shared a 2 family home with easy access connecting doors and when my mother died, my sister kept mom's apartment vacant because sister was the most picky person who wanted to control everything and everybody and she knew she would not be able to put up with a tenant. She wouldn't even let her grandson move in to be closer to his job. Some people just can't be landlords
getting rid of tenant (by Jon S [PA]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 6:54 AM
It hasn't been stated... so I'll ask.
Exactly what is she doing that causes you to want her to leave? As others stated above; I only use MTM leases as well. That way if there are personality conflicts then I can simply give them their proper notice and send them on their way.
1-Year leases seem like a good idea, but unfortunately they are only good for the tenant. --71.195.xx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by Lori [NV]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 8:32 AM
I take back what I said (none of which was illegal by the way). You're stuck with her so quit complaining. --74.45.xx.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 9:23 AM
rob, many of us have been where you are. My experience with one seriously troublesome pair of tenants and another pair who were somewhat less so made me sit and think hard about what I might have to look out for in the future when interviewing. In other words, I made sure that I learned something from the experience that could help me to do better in the future.
For instance, I compared their interviews to those of good tenants that we've had. The PITAs when viewing the place were less business-like, overly friendly, and just SO happy to find my place. They also told some realistic-sounding tale of personal difficulty, not wild enough to arouse suspicion, but something that upon reflection is not something that you should be sharing with a stranger. The good tenants were business-like, somewhat friendly but focused on the important points of the rental and the lease, and told no personal tales.
You may find something upon reflection that will help you to avoid this situation in the future. Meanwhile, keep doing the right thing - you'll be able to live with yourself, knowing that you remained professional over the course of the relationship.
Hang in there! --96.227.x.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by Natalie [CA]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 10:04 AM
Wilma... it is interesting how you describe your PITAs. My observations about three major PITAs that I had (two broke their lease and one was eventually evicted) was that they were very business-like, had great income, not very friendly and gave an impression that they are about it all.
getting rid of tenant (by Lori [NV]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 10:44 AM
I agree with Natalie. That's exactly how my PITA's have been. Nothing you do will please them. My issue here was with rob who wanted our advice after he signed a lease with someone who was not in lease violation. He then writes that he is surprised by OUR responses and basically says we are illegal and unprofessional. My advice was really tongue in cheek. Rob here has all the answers already and therefore shouldn't be complaining when he already knows it all. Guys like him come to this site not for advice but to show their superiority to the rest of the landlords. I take great offense to THAT. Sorry, that's just how he come across in my opinion. --74.45.xx.xxx
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 11:03 AM
Gosh Lori, such animosity! I don't have any such agenda. I was looking for advice and when people suggested that I should cut her a/c and harass her I was a little shocked. I guess I expected more professional comments.
I'm not a whiner and I appreciate what was said but I don't think anyone should take it personally if I disagree about harassing a tenant. I believe in treating everyone with respect.
I'm going to make an attempt to offer her some moving costs in agreement for an earlier termination but if that doesn't work I'll just sit it out until her lease is up and then ask her to leave.
I'm thinking a lot about the suggestions to go month to month and I think that's worth considering. I'll still use a lease document but maybe I'll reduce the term to 6 months or else do month to month.
Believe me, this tenant has emotional anger management issues. I've been managing several buildings for 20 years and have avoided this kind of situation before. This one got by my radar. Live and learn! --64.85.xxx.xx
getting rid of tenant (by Lois [CA]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 11:47 AM
to repeat what Jon S asked:
Exactly what is she doing that causes you to want her to leave? --75.36.xxx.x
getting rid of tenant (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: May 27, 2010 9:01 PM
Rob, I agree that trying to make her live miserable is NOT a proper way to proceed. I would simply inform her that I do not think she is happy in her unit, that I will not be renewing the lease when it is up, and that if and when she wishes to be released from her lease early, I would be happy to do it, and I would consider contributing to her moving costs if she moves out in the next 2 months.
I also would seriously consider using a MTM or a 3 mo or a 6 mo lease period for a M-I-L apartment in my own home. I've never had a tenant share a home with me, but I'd be very cautious with that situation, because of the very problem you are now having.
getting rid of tenant (by rob [CA]) Posted on: May 30, 2010 4:24 PM
She's moving out and I don't have to pay any move expenses.
A little patience and not losing my temper paid off. She's moving this week.
So I'll advertise for a one year tenant but will write the lease with for a shorter occupancy. --98.210.xx.xx