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Newbie - needs guidance! (by Kristin [NC]) Jul 3, 2009 9:01 AM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Josh [CA]) Jul 3, 2009 9:20 AM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Mark [OR]) Jul 3, 2009 9:53 AM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Ann [MN]) Jul 3, 2009 12:05 PM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Mark [OR]) Jul 3, 2009 12:36 PM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Virden [OH]) Jul 3, 2009 1:19 PM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Brad [IN]) Jul 3, 2009 1:47 PM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by tyler [NC]) Jul 3, 2009 3:13 PM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Ellen [NC]) Jul 3, 2009 3:15 PM
       Newbie - needs guidance! (by Steve [FL]) Jul 3, 2009 6:08 PM


Newbie - needs guidance! (by Kristin [NC]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 9:01 AM
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State Specific Question About: NORTH CAROLINA (NC)

Hi everyone, I am new here and to LL'ing! I have inherited a single family home in NC. Due to the very slow market in our town we have decided to become landlords. I have to say it is something my husband has always wanted to do, but I would never agree to take the risk and buy something. Now we have a perfect opportunity to let him try it.

We have completely renovated the home as a rental property as it was in bad shape. I am now starting the task of figuring out the business side of things which is more my speed. My husband is the people person!

I am confused about starting an LLC or just getting an umbrella policy. Also about a bank account for the funds of the home. I did receive a bank account in the inheritance that we used to fix up the house. It is in my name only. Should I get a TIN and start a business or just keep everything in our names since we only have one house. We are talking with our insurance agent next week to see about an umbrella policy.

Not sure where to start with this...can anyone point me in the right direction??? I have ordered many books, but do not have them yet. We are taking this slowly and want to do it right.

Thanks! --74.183.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Josh [CA]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 9:20 AM
Message:

This should help:

Landlord Tips By Terry (CA)

LL Tips NEWBIES PLS READ by Terry (CA)

Posted on: Jul 27, 2006 11:10 PM

Message:

Funny after reviewing the "newbie" posts this last week or two..still seems like a good idea to post these exact same tips again so here goes:

Just some general new LL Tips. Will try to post some every now and then and other LL's feel free to add to any threads I start like this.

MAYBE just MAYBE we can prevent some of the routine mistakes that seem to be made over and over again by new landlords and the resulting questions asked here if we often post basic tips that we are always telling newbie LLs anyway.

Just a few to get us started - first ones that came to mind after reading the posts the last few days.

DISCLAIMER: Almost everything in being a LL is governed by STATE laws which vary greatly among the states. THEREFORE you MUST apply any tips given here to YOUR state law's interpretation.

1. ALWAYS FULLY screen ALL applicants 18 and over - NO EXCEPTIONS. Check credit, evictions/criminal (if you do criminal you must do on EVERY applicant not just "some" - same goes for all checks you do), SS#, bad check history, two previous LL references (VERIFIED), employment with WRITTEN income verification (stubs, bank records, certified tax returns, etc). NEVER take anyone with an eviction on their record. Create a list of minimum criteria to qualify and then apply that criteria to each and every applicant EQUALLY.

2. NEVER give a new tenant the keys/possession until you have received the first FULL MONTH's rent and full security deposit in CERTIFIED FUNDS ONLY (cash, bank check, etc.) and the utilities have been changed to their names. DO NOT pro-rate the first month..always take a FULL month and if need be pro-rate the SECOND month.

3. Use MTM agreements NOT fixed term leases (yeah OK this one is a TERRY TIP for sure but many here agree - some may not but READ here and you'll see why this is one of my tips!). This way unless in rent control area, you can terminate the tenancy without having to "prove a case/state a reason". Leases protect tenants much more than they protect LL's. There are many times a LL just wants a tenant gone but if it had to be proven why in court it might be a gray area (noise, bugging LL with requests, etc.). Also with MTM you can change the terms including raising the rents any time you need to with (usually) just 30 days notice. FACT: Tenants can and will move when they want/need to regardless of the agreement you have in place. Life changes happen.

4. You MUST learn and know well your state LL/Tenant state laws. Learn them all BEFORE you are faced with a situation. Many of the links above are valid but if your state is not a valid link, ask someone here to point you in the right direction for your state. Also learn fair housing laws in your state/locality and what you can do to prevent being challenged by fair housing.

5. Make sure that your rental agreement is in full compliance with your state laws. It is best to use one from a local LL association that has been tested numerous times in your local courts and reviewed by local LL attorneys. DO NOT try to write one yourself. DO NOT trust a real estate agent to "know it all" and write one for you.

6. ALWAYS serve the appropriate pay or quit notice for past due rent as soon as legally OK to do so in your state. DO NOT WAIT. NO EXCEPTIONS HERE. DO NOT buy into tenant's "stories", IOU's, excuses, promises, etc. DO NOT ALLOW rent to get past due more than a few days. DO NOT WAIT months to wonder if/how to evict/collect. When the pay or quit notice legally expires FILE FOR EVICTION!

7. DO NOT "guess" at the process, the form/language required on a pay or quit notice, the method of service required by your state, etc. ASK HERE BEFORE you serve it or get assistance from a local LL association/attorney.

8. If you must evict a tenant and wish to use a lawyer (which you SHOULD especially the first time) BE SURE the lawyer is one who specializes in LL/Tenant evictions period. You will save a lot of money and know the job will be done right. DO NOT use a "generic" real estate attorney or other speciality one. Again, your local LL association can be of help to find the right person to use.

9. JOIN a local landlord association - EXTREMELY beneficial for ALL LL's to belong to at least one in their area. Even if you just have one or two units.

10. ASK HERE BEFORE you try and "handle" a crisis not after. When you post a question here, please provide as much background info as possible, then return to the thread several times and answer any questions asked of you about your post to ensure you get accurate and good info you can use. Acknowledge the replies and as a courtesy post what direction you took, why and if/how it worked out. BE SURE TO POST WHAT STATE the property is in - it makes a HUGE difference in what advice you will get and how accurate it will be.

11. Do not try to do long distance landlording if you are new to this business, especially without a GOOD PM. Finding a good PM can be more difficult than finding good tenants and a BAD one can destroy your business.

12. DO NOT rent to family, friends or work associates.

13. DO NOT try to do "self help" evictions as they are illegal. This includes things like shutting off the utilities, changing locks on the unit, etc. You can serve notices but only the court can EVICT a tenant legally.

14.When buying a property, do a LOT of due dilligence. DO NOT "trust" the info provided by the seller and real estate agents. DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE making an offer. Rents are often overstated, expenses understated. Make sure you demand to get copies of existing leases and all applicable paperwork for each tenant. Don't forget to get all security deposits transferred to you at closing.

15. In virtually all cases you must honor and abide by agreements in place at the time you take over a building. If they are FIXED TERM leases you must honor them until they expire.

16. Obtain updated tenant (AND guarantor if applicable) info every couple of years. This includes place of employment (address/phone), emergency contacts, car descriptions, etc. Sign updated rental agreements every year or two as well since laws change so often and therefore your forms should too.

17. DO NOT sign a new rental agreement with a new tenant until you have full legal possession of the unit to be rented.

18. In virtually all states/instances you cannot just "keep" a security deposit. PER YOUR STATE LAW you must do a full accounting for it and send it to the tenant's last known address (your unit if no forwarding). There are a few states with odd exceptions..KNOW YOUR STATE LAW ON THIS. This is the area new LL's make the most mistakes in. You MUST send this accounting within a certain number of days per your state and if you don't you can be sued and in many cases have to pay up to THREE TIMES the amount of the deposit back to the tenant EVEN IF THERE WAS EXTREME DAMAGE. DO NOT charge tenants for normal wear and tear or regular maintenance needed in between tenancies. YOU WILL HAVE out of pocket expenses to turn over a unit and should budget accordingly. You can't charge tenants for items just because they need to be done after they move. The tenant must have CAUSED DAMAGE beyond normal wear and tear in order to be charged for things. Some LL's unfairly overcharge tenants deducting items that the LL should be doing and paying for as a routine cost of business for vacancy turnovers.

19. Never hold a unit for a new tenant for more than a couple of weeks AND if you DO hold it, BE SURE to have them sign a holding deposit (or fee depending on your state law) agreement that clearly spells out the consequences if they do not "perform". Never sign a holding agreement with anyone until AFTER you have fully screened them and approved them and make sure ALL parties sign it! And of course do not sign one unless YOU have possession already of the unit in question.

20. Always insist that you meet and verify the identity of every applicant - NO EXCEPTIONS. Do not allow someone else to apply for them. Ask to see photo ID and make sure it is the person before you. Same goes for SS#. Do not rent to anyone you cannot verify identification on. NEVER allow anyone "new" to move into your unit during a tenancy until you have fully screened and approved them. This includes boyfriends/girlfriends, new roommates to replace old ones, etc.

21. Never let a tenant paint or do any kind of fixup work in the unit.

22. BEFORE you rent a unit when it is "rent-ready" take pictures in every room and focus on the areas that are most likely to receive damage. Carpets, walls, blinds, sinks/counters, stoves/ovens, toilets, flooring, etc. Also make sure you and the tenant moving in complete a "condition checklist" that lists all items in the unit (structure and appliances, etc) and notes the condition...making sure you have pictures that correspond to the same items listed. THIS IS CRITICAL.

23. When a tenant moves OUT, then complete the same condition list but instead noting the MOVE OUT condition of each item. Take pictures of EVERY AREA of damage you plan to charge for and some general pictures too that correspond to the move IN pictures you took at the beginning of that tenancy. The move in/out checklists and the photos combined are often the make or break point of winning or losing a case in court. VERY IMPORTANT.

--209.240.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Mark [OR]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 9:53 AM
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Josh already said it but it's worth repeating: join a local rental owners association. They will have all the information and support you need. --98.232.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Ann [MN]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 12:05 PM
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Hi Kristin,

You've come to the right place. As a small landlord, an umbrella policy is best. LLCs are for passive participants. When you manage the property as you plan to do, you intermingle yourself as a person with the entity of the LLC and your protection is "pierced". Gone. This topic comes up a lot, and the June 18 discussion with the title "LLC" is concise, and puts things out in a direct (snarky?) way that makes the point really well.

--97.116.xx.xx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Mark [OR]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 12:36 PM
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If you are a licensed PM, the LLC can hire you, as it would hire any other PM, to work for the LLC. Paychecks, payroll taxes, everything (though you can set the salary however you like). That is the best way to actively work as a manager for your LLC. Kristen the owner is a passive owner, while Kristen the PM is employed. Veil intact. If you are acting as an unlicensed manager, you are acting on behalf of yourself, as the LLC cannot hire an unlicensed PM. Still, there are holes and it's always best to have the umbrella to back it up. --98.232.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Virden [OH]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 1:19 PM
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One more comment about LLC, if you have the need to be in court for eviction the LLC will find it needs a licensed representative so if you have been accepted to that states bar you are fine, otherwise this means legal fees, but for an eviction the flat fee method will work best if you visit liars court often and see a lawyer winning over and over you may want to contact this person out of the courtroom do discus her/his fee structure, if allowed when filing for unlawful detainer also file second cause which is the money for damages not covered by the security deposit. --76.241.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Brad [IN]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 1:47 PM
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My insurance agent wouldn't give me an umbrella, said they don't hand those out to everyone who needs one... and I own four properties. I have $300,000 liability on each.

I'm know asset manager, but from what I've heard, LLC's will not protect people who manage their own property. Don't be negligent. --66.228.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by tyler [NC]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 3:13 PM
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welcome kristin.... were are you located?

if your in/near charlotte go to "metrolinareia" add the www and the dotcom were they belong for our local group. --75.181.xxx.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Ellen [NC]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 3:15 PM
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Wow, I'm an unexperienced landlord myself and just got a lot out of that post. Thanks for sharing all those good points. --76.113.x.xxx




Newbie - needs guidance! (by Steve [FL]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 6:08 PM
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Brad, you absolutely can get an umbrella policy. I had an agent say the same thing...over and over for a few years ....even when I got even more assertive. When I found an insurance guru we had the policy within about 6 weeks. That time was what we needed to up coverages to the umbrella policy thresholds. --67.166.xxx.xx





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