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IRS didn't release lien (by Michelle [AZ]) Jul 1, 2008 10:22 AM
       IRS didn't release lien (by Steve [FL]) Jul 1, 2008 12:11 PM
       IRS didn't release lien (by Michelle [AZ]) Jul 1, 2008 12:16 PM
       IRS didn't release lien (by LYNDA [TX]) Jul 1, 2008 12:24 PM
       IRS didn't release lien (by Michelle [AZ]) Jul 1, 2008 5:19 PM
       IRS didn't release lien (by Talley [VA]) Jul 1, 2008 7:29 PM
       IRS didn't release lien (by Steve [FL]) Jul 1, 2008 7:41 PM
       IRS didn't release lien (by Mike45 [NV]) Jul 1, 2008 10:45 PM


IRS didn't release lien (by Michelle [AZ]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 10:22 AM
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State Specific Question About: ARIZONA (AZ)

A friend of mine bought a house and I'm handling the lease. They knew there was an IRS lien on the house but, when they went to sign the papers at the title company, the title company told them the IRS had released the lien so they signed the papers.

Well, a few days later they are told that the IRS in fact, did not release the lien and there is still a lien on the property.

This was two weeks ago and the lien is still there so technically, my friends do not own the house.

I have talked to the real estate agent and the title company. It was a title company error and the are compensating my friends.

The real estate agent says we can sign a lease but new tenants can not take possession until the lien is cleared which they are hopeful will happen by the end of the week.

Has anyone dealt with something like this before? I'm hesitant to keep showing a house that, technically, my friends don't own and can't legally lease. The real estate agent says we can sign a lease but have to include a clause that the lease is contingent upon my friends closing on the house. Who in their right mind would sign a lease with a landlord who doesn't even own the house?

Anyway, I'm just wondering if anyone has dealt with a situation like this before. --70.162.xxx.xxx




IRS didn't release lien (by Steve [FL]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 12:11 PM
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Unless there is something state specific, I don't understand why they don't own the house? Was the house seized by the IRS? Or does the IRS just have a lien? Big difference.

I know I would not do anything else with a house having this many things in motion until all was clear. --68.111.xxx.xx




IRS didn't release lien (by Michelle [AZ]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 12:16 PM
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The house was not siezed by the IRS. The house had several liens against it and was going into foreclosure. My friends bought the house and were told by the title company that the liens had been cleared when in fact, they had not.

A house can not be sold with a clean title until the liens are taken care of.

I wouldn't do anything else either but, they're about $10,000 into renovations. The house is ready to lease now. And, just this morning they get a call telling them that the lien still hasn't cleared.

My understanding is that the person who owned the house before them had more in liens than he got for the house. So, the IRS got some money from the sale of the house but not enough to cover the entire amount.

So, the title can't be released and technically, my friends don't own the house.

They keep getting assured that it will happen in the next few days and to go ahead and accept a lease with a clause that the lease is only valid once the house closes and with the understanding that the tenants can not take possession until the lien clears and the house closes. --70.162.xxx.xxx




IRS didn't release lien (by LYNDA [TX]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 12:24 PM
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HELLO! It is the JOB of the Title company to release all the monies correctly to all the right parties. The title company is to pay off all the leins out of the money the buyers pays for the property BEFORE releasing any leftover funds to the seller! If the IRS got too little from the title co to satisfy the lein--then the TITLE CO is at fault for not proceding correctly. No wonder they are "compensating" your friend because they screwed up bigtime! --140.140.xx.x




IRS didn't release lien (by Michelle [AZ]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 5:19 PM
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Yes, we know the title company screwed up. Thank you.

My question is if anyone has ever had to deal with an issue like this - putting a clause in a lease saying that the lease is dependent upon the owners closing on the house and that they can not take possession until the lien issues are taken care of. --70.162.xxx.xxx




IRS didn't release lien (by Talley [VA]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 7:29 PM
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I purchased a townhome at foreclosure auction in 2003 which had an IRS lien. My attorney explained that the IRS had 120 days to exercise their right of redemption. My original plan was to flip the property, so I looked for a buyer that was willing to rent before they bought. This kind of buyer was easy to find five years ago when it was a seller's market. I was up front about the title situation with the buyers, but my attorney never advised me to include any special phrasing in the purchase offer or rental agreement pertaining to marketable title. The IRS did not exercise their right to redeem the property.

Your situation is different though because the IRS lien was supposed to be cleared. I would progress as if I owned the property and rent it without any special phrasing. What is your friend supposed to do? Let the prpoerty sit vacant? The IRS does not want to be in the real estate business. It is the title company's responsibility to settle this problem financially. Isn't that the purpose of Owner's Title Insurance? --70.161.xxx.xx




IRS didn't release lien (by Steve [FL]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 7:41 PM
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"A house can not be sold with a clean title until the liens are taken care of. "

Happens all the time Michelle; as Talley pointed out, that's what owners title insurance is for. I had a friend buy a house out of forclosure with a $5k IRS lien that neither he nor the bank knew about. After a few months, he got notice of the existing lien that he eventually had to pay to get clear title.

He assumed as many of us do that once title insurance is purchased, then the property is covered. Except in his case, he failed to purchase "owners" coverage. And therefore had to pay.

I'm not saying the same is true in your friends case. Maybe it's a state specific thing that wouldn't apply in your state. The one I've mentioned was in GA. --68.111.xxx.xx




IRS didn't release lien (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2008 10:45 PM
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The buyers own the house. They simply own it subject to the IRS lien, and the IRS can legally foreclose on the lien.

I am assuming that the Title Company is acting as the escrow agent/disbursing agent.

There are two possibilities here. (1) The title company failed to pay the IRS and released the funds to the Sellers. In this case, the title company has to pay the IRS and can then sue the Sellers to recover the funds. (2) The title company paid the IRS and simply did not get the lien released. In this case, the title company needs to work with the IRS to get teh relase.

Either way, the Title Company has to clear the title. But the Buyer does own the house NOW. Just as the Seller owned the house before. It is just that there is a lien that needs to be delat with -- by the title company!

--216.175.xx.xxx





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