State Specific Question About: KENTUCKY (KY)

Just curious to see how many of you carry a handgun or other form of protection (excluding your fists of fury) while checking in & around your properties (i.e. Routine maint. & inspection stops, posting eviction notices, etc.) I'm taking a conceal & carry course in February so I abide by the laws for carrying a handgun in the Commonwealth of KY; reasons on my end stem from properties & tenants that are a little rough around the edges. Obviously, most of those responding yes to this question are probably not renting in the best parts of town, etc..

Thanks in Advance!

For those gun enthusiasts that were inquisitive about what I'm packing....

My wife would be quite angry if she found protection in my wallet.

Heck yes.

One rental is in a nice part of town, one isn't. I carry at both, just because I always carry.

I believe in gun ownership rights but have no need to carry in my neighborhoods. At home my gun of choice for home protection is a 457 magnum.

As some know, I was assaulted at a property in Napa, CA in late '80s - spun around after I served a 30 day notice and fell on may arm and broke my wrist...FROM THAT DAY, I only wear rubber soled shoes...I had on expensive leather soled shoes on that day and I threw them away when I got home from the hospital * I had to spend the night the drugs were so good after they set my wrist.

I carry a cel phone, know where all of the exits are in a property and have gas in my car.

Sometimes, when I am waiting and would-be client(s) drive up, I pretend I am on my cel phone and they hear me saying I will call the RIGHT BACK!

There is no longer such an animal as a "safe neighborhood". That has been extinct for many years...

The answer to your question is yes. Always. Never without it. Doesn't matter what part of town I'm in. Concealed. Conceal carry permit in my back pocket. It's just another piece of safety equipment, much like a fire extinguisher or a hard-hat.

Unfortunately, in the socialist republic of NJ, it is nearly impossible to obtain a CC permit...

There have been many busts on the local and national news about "drop houses" here in the valley. That could mean drugs, illegals, whatever. I have 2 rentals here that are in "good" neighborhoods. This is what the coyotes are looking for. A very lax HOA, neighbors that dont get involved, whatever. They rent one out for a few months, stop paying when neighbors get suspicious, and they move on. The rental market here is very ROUGH right now as it is.

People are taking anyone with a heartbeat, and not keeping track of who is moving in. There could be 10 or more people staying at your property without your knowledge. I cant tell you how many old chevy trucks that are stacked with matresses and you know what they are doing. The cops can't do anything until there is a problem and dont seem to care afterwards either. Its a nightly occurance on the news.

I spent a short time in jail (few hours) for a legal handgun under s different situation. I never shot anyone or was involved in a fight involving a handgun or drugs. I was just target practicing in a remote construction site area not causing any harm to anyone when someone reported gun shots heard from far away. It cost me $5,000 bail, $5,000 for a lawyer and a year of probation under a PTI program. My offense was discharging a firearm and only legal to do so at an authorized gun range. I had a Glock 9 mm and a .22 handgun. The .22 bullets were common Stingers which the cops classified as hollow points so I got charged with that too. What I am leading up to is a hand gun can cause big problems w/o shooting someone.

In New Jersey if I was involved in a shooting of a person, right or wrong, it would be very very very bad news for me or any shooter. Read Doug's(NJ) comment above.

All I can say is if you shoot anyone, you better be 100% in the clear and prove your life was in danger. If you pulled the trigger and shoot someone because you were "scared", YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.

John

Actually John NJ, you had better be "scared" if you shoot someone.

One of the criteria for justifiable self defense is that you were in fear of grave bodily harm.

I do not carry or even own gun. I often think about buying a small pistol to carry with me at the rentals. It is easy to get a concealed carry permit in WA. I like AllyM's thoughts. A nice middle ground for most occasions where you don't want to kill the person. Where does one get pepper spray these days?

My husband checked up on me yesterday at the rental to find I didn't have my gun. I got a big lecture about it. Personally, I would rather have my dog.

GB, let me clarify my coment. If you kill or injury where deadly force was not needed, you go to jail. YOU and I know many people are so timid (sp?) they are scared or their shadows and will shoot when not needed. That is the problem my friend.

John

One more comment: If you carry a gun, be properly trained. Know when to shoot and not shoot. Regadless if you carry or not, it is common scense not to enter rough territory during the wrong times otherwise you are asking for trouble.

John

"Regadless if you carry or not, it is common scense not to enter rough territory during the wrong times otherwise you are asking for trouble"

Well, duh!!!!

Would like to get a small one to carry concealed, but it's expensive and using many of the similar precautions above, I haven't had any issues.

Doug, many times an untrained gun carrier has a false sense of security when he/she has a gun whereby he/she thinks as if they are Superman and can go anywhere's at anytime without the fear of being harmed. That ain't so.

If I or anyone from the bad side of town was to mug an individual, it woulkd be done through the element of surprise. It would be highly unlikely the person being mugged will have the opportunity to reach into her purse or his ankle holster to grab a gun when I got the death hold around your neck.

Anyway, if you all had an ugly face like mine, there would be no reason for guns. I just scared my co-worker a few minutes ago.

John

Tim from ARK. Some states require that when stopped you must show your CC license along with your DL. I've been stopped, showed both, was asked if I was carrying, I told him where the gun was, he was OK with everything. Officers know that CC holders don't carry so they can create problems, they carry for protection.

Wow. Where do I start..

"Regadless if you carry or not, it is common scense not to enter rough territory during the wrong times otherwise you are asking for trouble"

If it's MY property, when do you consider it a "Wrong time"? Anytime I want to visit a property of mine, during construction, or otherwise, I will. I'm not scared because the sun goes down, and my rights remain the same to protect myself.

"Didn't know this but if you have a license to carry a handgun and are pulled over for speeding get prepared to have guns pulled on you and possibly find yourself laying on the ground with your hands over your head. The police know who has a license and they won't treat you the same."

Um....BS. You're more likely to get treated with respect. Every time I've ever been pulled over, the cop didn't know I had a gun. ( CCW and registered ) I told him, as I showed him my hands, before he got the first sentence out of his mouth, and he appreciated it. EVERY time.

As for a false sense of security, I don't know what that is. I'm trained to use weapons, and I will not hesitate for a second. Sure, an untrained person may have it, just like an unskilled person driving is a danger.

Having a gun registered when you buy it throught he FBI is not the same as having a "license to carry a handgun". IT IS attached to your drivers license.

It's really according to what and where you find yourself for instance my son-in-law got pulled over with a tail-light out and they asked if he had the gun in the car and he said yes and all was well but another time he was in a hurry and passed on a double yellow he was treated as if he was fleeing from a crime.

Tim, maybe in AR your DL is attached to the CCW license, but not in OKLA. The applications forms only ask for SS#, not DL number. If a city officer types in my DL# that's all the info he gets. Stew from LA has it correct. Most officers treat you with respect when they see your CCW license.

Stew [LA]), you are obviously trained and you do not experience a false sense of security since you know when and when not to use heat. It is the people who blindly purchases a handgun w/o proper trianing that get into trouble.

Listen, you read my bad experience. I was a licensed hunter too. It required training in proper gun handling as well as a field test (this was back in the 1970's). Guns are not new to me. What I am trying to say is guns are not for everybody. A gun in the wrong hands (untrained person) can lead to trouble. Do you disagree?

John

lol OrEgone.

but for me T&S would laugh........

for all those here who blowhard about "carrying protection". why ?

I live in a state that does not issue carry permits unless "politically connected" Here are a few things you can carry for defense that are easily explained away, especially in a contractor type vehicle.

Hammer

Heavy flashlight - 4 C cell Maglite is ideal

army entrenching tool in truck

Pepper spray ( I have heard Fox Labs is the best)

long screwdriver - stab for the eyes and try to punch out the back of skull

Box cutter

heavy wood or polypro cane. You have a bad knee right?

small but razor sharp knife legal in your state

aerosol can of oven cleaner, spray lube, or jet stream insecticide - spray in eyes to blind

Agree with Del, any handy tools can be used for protection if nothing else. Have just recently started carrying pepper spray when doing a showing.

Checking on the empty rental once, got a little spooked and found myself carrying a 2x2, like a baseball bat through the house.

I agree John, certainly. A gun in the wrong hands CAN lead to trouble. For sure.

But for someone with common sense, like myself, I'd rather carry and be untrained, than not to carry at all. Although I am trained, there was a time when I was not, though I still carried. I have MUCH more confidence in myself now though, but would not have hesitated to use deadly force before my training.

Would I recommend carrying with no training? No. Is is better than being unarmed? 99% of the time, yes.

For those who are law abiding, and are thinking of getting a carry permit, GO FOR IT. It's easier than you think, it's FUN, and it gives you a sense of security that you never knew. ( not a false one, either)

Had a good friend that owned a small store in the City years ago in a not so good neighborhood have a problem. He had a guy try to hold him up and he shot the guy... and killed him. There was an investigation and he was cleared of any wrong doing. However he sold the store, turned the gun in and was badly shaken by the whole experience.

You have to ask yourself...."If I take someone's life, to protect mine, can I live with that?" I know I can.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but it sounds like he would have been better off just getting robbed, without trying to defend himself or his property.

I would feel better around trained hand gun owners. It sounds like a lot of work and practice. Better to have some good guys peppered about with lethal force to keep criminals on their toes. After all, we should not be so concerned with safety of criminals during criminal activity, it needs to stay a hazardous vocation.

If your safety officers only concerned with safety of criminals who only commit crimes upon killing or victimising citizens, well do you want to take a bullet, be raped, etc, to make an enforceable crime once the felon is caught? Would that be to late most times, yet make life easier for felons and officers?

One study I read a criminal on average commits 100 crimes before being caught and suffering serious incarceration. May the criminal who reads of G-ma blowing away a buddy house burglar be a big motivation to find an easier way to make money. May the girlfriend of robber talk some sense into the boyfriend as the usual easy as pie effort to hold up a convenience store not so anymore as yesterday the manager shot someone trying to accomplish same.

The left loves to portray criminals as victim and direct result of prejudice or mistreatment as not enough easy gov't money spent on them, that is until a victim themselves, whereupon most do a 180. Also, somehow if doing crimes for or on drugs o.k. because they were irrational. Tell that to victim, that it's o.k. he was high.

I don't carry. I try to use my brains and proper management as my best defense.

I would lose in a wrestling match. I don't want my gun grabbed and used on me.

I always lose at "posturing". The effect of carrying a gun would be lost with me.

I'm in the camp that believes "if they think I have a gun, they'll come at me with a gun."

Here is my proactive safety:

-removed my home address from the phone book. Church/club directories, deliveries to UPS Store mailbox.

-we don't tell tenants our office is in our home

-NEVER have contractors come to my home office for payment. I deliver checks when I inspect.

-I don't use workers who carry guns. They might come after me.

-Self tours with key lockboxes on doors. I haven't shown an empty house in YEARS!

-I don't go at night

-I send helpers. $9 per hour.

-dropbox at The UPS Store for rent and apps

-shifting everyone to auto draft from their checking account. They love it.

-collecting rent in person is an ego trip for the LL. Do the utilities come to the door to collect??

-don't carry cash. My wallet has ones to throw (and run)

-check or moneyorder at lease signing. I don't want them or others to follow me to the car and thump me on the head

-evening lease signings at McDonalds. I spring for cokes and the kids hit the playground.

-I'm nice to EVERYONE. It's the office and the paperwork that tells them bad news.

-I'm just the manager. That's HUGE! I teach that managers are liked because we get things done FOR tenants and owners get shot because they do things TO tenants.

-eviction: handled properly and with a little compassion (yes, many times undeserved!), they know they must leave.

-no "barking"; If I bark, the tenant MUST bark back. That's the way they're made.

-be aware of surroundings and returning to my empty car

-watch the others on the sidewalk, etc.

-I think every LL should take a basic self defense / safety awareness class.

-I was grabbed on the throat once, by my workman who was drunk!

Yeah, your brain first line of defense. Best to stay away from trouble and have alternatives. Most should not pack a hand gun. Just a small percentage of committed population, that loves the "sport" and actually enjoy target practicing and handling. This group should be encouraged to maintain professional approach to weapon carrying.

Now, just because I don't personally carry, I am not going to insist all do as I do as am the smartest with the correct thinking. Still firmly believe all should be "free" to choose if obeying laws. Would think if that G-ma or a single women living in rough neighborhood would be denied, because of my thoughts would be a tragedy. Who, would be entrusted to make choices of making law abiding citizens defenseless as we know better? Why do folks take their personal biases and then desire all to conform within their superior thinking/thoughts? Isn't that a bit to easy to empower gov't to squeeze law abiding citizens rights away (after all guns kill) and instead shouldn't gov't be doing a better job of squeezing the law breakers? Maybe worry more about taking rights away from the criminals instead of fretting over criminal rights and safety....IOWs misplaced compassion.

Actually, think instead of trying to fight the gun rights issue, we should be instead educating for proper management and handling. Why uncomfortable with folks choosing as some personally think unwise? No one knows all of the particulars of personal safety issues a citizens experiences.

Just remember; All the planning in the world, all the precautions, it can all change in an INSTANT, in a great neighborhood, in BROAD DAYLIGHT, TODAY.

I take many precautions, but so do race car drivers. And sometimes they end up upside down against a wall, or, God forbid, sometimes worse. Much worse.

But many of them have a fire extinguisher cord they can pull, when they are updide down and on fire, and I've seen that one cord save many a life.

My guns are my fire cord, I won't use them until I see myself headed for a wall.

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It is not only a good practice being armed for protection against the criminal element.

It was also intended to keep a tyrannical Government from controlling its citizen?s freedoms, (only a fool would think it never could happen) remember Butch Reno and Wacco!! Ruby Ridge!! That was only a small example of what could happen, I wouldn't want to take that chance and open up that door for any future power hungry elected officials.

I without any doubt feel an armed society is a very polite society.

It?s a dirty job, thank god we have enough citizens willing to do it for ALL to be guaranteed safety along with personal freedoms of choice we all enjoy

God Bless America.

Tyrantical Govt. another small example is what happened to John(NJ) what did this man do that warranted the treatment he got...real criminals in NY don't get treated like that they would actually have to be doing a REAL robbery even then they end up with reduced charges.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb."