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Wireless internet router (by Rob [ME]) Jan 10, 2008 10:17 AM
       Wireless internet router (by John... [MI]) Jan 10, 2008 10:30 AM
       Wireless internet router (by sid [MO]) Jan 10, 2008 10:56 AM
       Wireless internet router (by sid [MO]) Jan 10, 2008 10:59 AM
       Wireless internet router (by DavidB [FL]) Jan 10, 2008 11:09 AM
       Wireless internet router (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Jan 10, 2008 11:26 AM
       Wireless internet router (by John... [MI]) Jan 10, 2008 11:45 AM
       Wireless internet router (by John [NJ]) Jan 10, 2008 12:08 PM
       Wireless internet router (by John [NJ]) Jan 10, 2008 12:09 PM
       Wireless internet router (by John [NJ]) Jan 10, 2008 12:09 PM
       Wireless internet router (by Tom [PA]) Jan 10, 2008 12:22 PM
       Wireless internet router (by Dan [MA]) Jan 10, 2008 2:25 PM
       Wireless internet router (by DavidB [FL]) Jan 10, 2008 2:45 PM


Wireless internet router (by Rob [ME]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 10:17 AM
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State Specific Question About: MAINE (ME)

I am thinking of buying a quality wireless router and having it installed in the second floor apartment of a three story apartment house (three units each side) which has cable already run to each unit, and then I would pay for the Roadrunner $45 monthly service, thus gaining a rental selling point that would allow tenants to access Roadrunner without cost. If you have done it, why is it or is it not a good idea, and where did you put the router? --205.188.xxx.xxx




Wireless internet router (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 10:30 AM
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This comes up now and then. I think a lot of it comes down to this from the "con/against" people:

1. The Roadrunner Terms of Service likely don't allow this. You generally can't buy your service from them and then give it away to others. This is kinda like you renting your place to someone and then that someone squeezing in another few people and charging them rent for the rooms.

2. There may be legal liabilities that you would be taking on if someone uses your connection to do illegal things -- if you are unable to answer WHICH of the tenants was doing it. There are devices that can track this though -- but they are usually not cheap.

Of course, I'm sure lots of people still do it. I'm just giving you what is normally stated as the big 2 "negatives" of attempting this.

- John...

P.S. A third side issue is that you then become tech support when they can't get their wireless to work because they messed something up on their PCs...

--207.241.xxx.xx




Wireless internet router (by sid [MO]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 10:56 AM
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Like most added features, you should approach this as a business decision. What are the total costs for you to legally permit X number of separate users to access the internet, how much are the real costs in terms of installation, equipment maintenance and time spent troubleshooting, and what liability does this expose to you as the "providor" of such services? If you believe you can charge enough rent and/or reduce vacancy enough to compensate for these factors, go ahead. Just one IT worker's opinion. --204.80.xxx.xx




Wireless internet router (by sid [MO]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 10:59 AM
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Sorry to be so redundant to John's post: I started typing then had to take care of another issue before coming back to finish up. --204.80.xxx.xx




Wireless internet router (by DavidB [FL]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 11:09 AM
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I'm not an IT guy but I it seems each time someone mentions setting it up for tenants, most are against it? Yet I see more and more free wifi areas set up at businesses all the time in my area. In fact, one is close enough to one of my rentals that I was able to pick up the signal while working on the unit a couple of weeks ago.

Of coarse, you would need to set it up with the provider above board. But what am I missing about that makes it so bad? --67.166.xxx.xxx




Wireless internet router (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 11:26 AM
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My opinion is based on pain avoidance, not morality.

It's just that as soon as you "provide wireless internet" YOU will get to handle all the complaints that "it's slow" or "it's down" or "I think the other tenant hacked into my computer, it was working yesterday!" or.......

You are opening yourself up to a big PITA.

--199.46.xxx.xxx




Wireless internet router (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 11:45 AM
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DavidB: Around here, the price to do an account that has a TOS that allows you to let others use the net from most ISPs is around $240/month. At those levels, I'm not sure if it would be worth it.

Although, I admit, I'm not sure how the "free wifi" things get around legal issues. If someone is uploading child pr0n through the free WiFi at Qdoba, it seems like there would be little way to track them -- and that seems like a problem.

The point is that if you just use a residential connection (or anything else without a TOS that allows you to give access toothers) and one of your tenants starts uploading child pr0n, then I think that they are going to come to YOU when it gets caught.

- John...

--207.241.xxx.xx




Wireless internet router (by John [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 12:08 PM
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If you had a tenant that runs what I run at home, all your bandwidth could get sucked up leaving little for others to use. thsi will cause huge performamce problems unless you can limit the bandwidth usages per user. In addition, you will need to administer who can use your wireless while preventing unauthorized access from nearby wireless users. This means you need to manage encryption keys and possibly use MAC filtering to allow only specific people and devices access to the service you provide.

John

New Jersey --192.4.xxx.x




Wireless internet router (by John [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 12:09 PM
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Sorry about the typos in my last response.

John

new jersey --192.4.xxx.x




Wireless internet router (by John [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 12:09 PM
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Sorry about the typos in my last response.

John

new jersey --192.4.xxx.x




Wireless internet router (by Tom [PA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 12:22 PM
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I work in Information Risk Management and I can tell you that people are much more likely to do illegal things when they are on a "free" connection. I won't even get into the terms of service issue with your provider.

I believe you should approach one of the large upscale rental complexs that offer free internet and ask for a copy of their lease as if you are a potential renter. See if they have terminology in their lease. Either way, like others have said, this needs to be a business decision: look at the risks vs potential returns. --96.227.xx.xx




Wireless internet router (by Dan [MA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 2:25 PM
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Many good comments, but the main point for me was made by TenantWhisperer. I have wireless network in my own home for my two TIVO's. Every week or two, I've got to reconfigure one of them because it no longer sees the network. My PC sits a few feet away from the wireless router, but that never worked consistently either so I finally ran a wire. I've worked in IT for 27 years so I am hardly a novice with these things and yet they are still troublesome. So I can't even imagine how much work it would be to keep it all running for a bunch of tenants that have no idea what so ever about what they are doing. --76.19.xx.xxx




Wireless internet router (by DavidB [FL]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2008 2:45 PM
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Great points especially having to reset the router. But it would seem that providing it could make a difference with a small apartment building. The thing I'm still curious about is the liability of what someone does on the connection. I haven't seen comcast or starbucks get zapped yet. But then again maybe that's the key word...yet.

And I guess I'm actually a good gauge as I've been looking around at renting a small, small studio or something for a couple years. And free internet even catches my eye. I guess I may be a tenant at heart. ; ) --67.166.xxx.xxx





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